Good question, yes I have considered that my gift may be counterfeit. I have been able to speak in tongues since early 2013, and for a time I did consider my gift counterfeit and of the devil. I have changed my mind though, because I saw no way in which Satan could benefit by speaking in tongues since I tend to keep it private and see no reason all must have tongues nor do I believe tongues fills a Holy Spirit sized void in me. However, I do have to be careful as you say.
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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Steven Yeadon, Mar 12, 2018.
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Also, Jesus, said nothing in secret:
John 18:20 KJB - Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. -
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I personally don't believe that the Pentecostal idea of Baptism by the Holy Spirit that always leads to tongues is accurate. There can be Holy Spirit-less "Christians" but only because they are counterfeit (Romans 8:9). Also tongues is only a spiritual gift, one of many, and is not given to all.
As for why prophetic ministry is still around, I believe the Holy Spirit continues to edify, which is to improve morally and intellectually, the whole Church; and that he comforts and encourages believers today. I also believe the Holy Spirit can guide our witness to others so that we speak to their hearts. All of these are the biblical reasons for prophecy. I do not personally believe prophecy deviates from a strictly scriptural set of functions.
I wouldn't worry too much, in two years I will be able to tell whether this was counterfeit or not given John of Japan's advice. I only need prayers to discern rightly now that I am warned, and for ways to convince the side actually against the truth to accept a truth they do not want. -
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There have been instances upon earth where languages have been outright created in phantasy [sci-fi, science falsely so called], such as:
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Elvin and Dwarvish [etc] in Lord of the Rings, by Roman Catholic TolkienWorlds I used to live and breath in, in the days of my madness, and was even 'creating' [inspired of the devil] a language, in the sci-fi/phantasy realm which was ever changing, called [well I won't say, let it remain buried], including an entire world structure [I can only describe it like how others received such images, and visions for their worlds, whole things were coming to me then, it would have been more deadly than what I have mentioned above, there were plans to go from print to an entire video, movies series and more].
Klingon, Vulcan, etc in Star Trek, by kabbalist pornographist Leonard Nemoy
Lapine in Watership Down, etc
Gnomish in Dragon Lance, etc
However, even in these sci-fictional/phantasy languages, they are based in real language structure, syntax, verbage, endings, nouns, verbs, predicates, subjects, etc. -
It is written:
Psalms 77:13 KJB - Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?
Therefore, your doctrine, teaching, theology, and practices must be found to be based in God's Sanctuary, or it is counterfeit to it, for we are not ignorant of satan's devices, for all he does is, is to twist that which is in the sanctuary itself, in everything.
Jesus said:
John 14:6 KJB - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.In the sanctuary, there was "bread" on the table of Shewbread, on the sides of the north, which represented Father and Son, upon their throne in the Holy Place, even the word of God. It was always in proper order, in two stacks of 6, every piece in their proper place. God is also the Alpha and Omega. Thus, the same way with words, having proper beginning and ending, all connected within, one to the other. Furthermore, in the Most Holy place, we see the Ark of God [the Throne of God in the Most Holy Place], within which, was the Ten Commandments, the very "word" of God, again, in proper order, proper sphere, to God first, and to mankind second, with clear delineations. Each clearly discernible, nothing confusing, always shedding light. The 7 branch candlestick, being light was to be properly filled, and to be filled with a specific item, not what we choose of ourselves, or what we feel like filling it with. Same with the altar of incense, for prayer, it was to be properly cared for, and the incense itself, was to be properly made, in specific mixture and ratio, and nothing else was to be used, in any other mixture. Even the sacrifices in the courtyard reveal something to us in matters of speech [only that which is acceptable to God may be given, and all else is to be burned up, cut away, therefore let our speech be truth, unmingled with error, etc]. Even the ordered and structured Heavens themselves tell us something of speech, each with definite purpose, each having their proper and distinctly defined name/character [Psalms 19:2 KJB - Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. & Psalms 147:4 KJB - He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.]. The same with language, in song, prayer, speech:
John 6:35 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:51 KJB - I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Colossians 4:6 KJB - Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. -
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It is not tongues/languages it is gibberish. There is not a plural of gibberish.
As someone already said there were those in the past there were those who spoke in real recognised languages. In France in the 17th century there were those known as the French Prophets. There were those mainly children who prophesied in good French even though "in their natural state, they would not know it knowing only their regional language" probably the Ocitan Language. (Languedoc, the language of OC Langue in French is Language and also tongue)
One of the child prophets is said to have prophesied in good French even though it had not learned to speak, or "go by itself". Warnings, by Elias Marion one of the French Prophets, English edition 1705.
Extracts from the above can be found in Modern Claims to the Extraordinary gifts of the Spirit, by Rev Wm Goode 1833. Republished in recent years under the title of Charismatic Confusion.
A Baptist Pastor I know, said he had been in the Pentecostal Charismatic movement for fifteen years, and had attended hundreds of healing meetings and had never seen any healings . -
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However, it is to edify, which is to improve morally and intellectually, the whole Church; comfort and encourage believers today. I also believe the Holy Spirit can guide our witness to others so that we speak to their hearts. All of these are the biblical reasons for prophecy. I do not personally believe prophecy deviates from a strictly scriptural set of functions.
Infallible: No.
We are told to weigh and test all that we are told by prophetic people. That said, the number of incorrect words of prophecy is maybe 10% in my history at this church.
Predict the future: Yes.
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In fact, it was the amazing ability to predict the future and present with 90%+ accuracy that makes me believe I have found the real Holy Spirit and not a counterfeit.
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2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. -
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Ecstatic "tongues" are not confined to so called christian sects but are also well known in Pagan religions, particularly Roman Catholics.
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