If God Never decreed/ordained the Fall...

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Agent47, Jan 25, 2017.

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Would Man have fallen?

  1. Most certainly

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  2. No

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  3. I don't know

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  4. It is impossible to know

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  5. I don't care

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  6. He never ordained the Fall in the first place.

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  1. Agent47 Active Member
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    All these supposed proof texts have been examined. Calvinistic exegesis or eisegesis is not the only valid understanding not is it the most reasonable.

    God can and has exploited certain events for his purpose without necessity
     
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    Circular reasoning is unavoidable but you disagree. Ok

    Great point. Why ground foreknowledge in decrees?

    This theory is not only scriptural but also untenable
     
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    It would be decidedly funny were it not so tragic for some to flush Jesus Christ laying down his for our sins as the 'smoking gun' of God imagining and causing the very sins He is offering His son for
     
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    What is six hour warning?
     
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    I also beleive that God has exploited certain events for his purpose without necessity. Adam's sin is one of them (Adam did not have to sin, it was a free choice).

    I never claimed that Calvinistic exegesis was the only valid understanding, nor that it was the most reasonable as scripture teaches the inadequacy of both human understanding and reasoning. The best that we can hope for (on these types of forums) is that a brother will bring out something to help us overhaul or fine tune our own positions.

    It is for this reason that I brought up the inconsistency with your logical conclusion - not to change your mind (that is not my business) but to highlight the problem. Both Calvinism and Arminianism are logical positions. In fact, Open Theism is a logical position. But the position you stated cannot stand on it's own (it is not logical). Your next reasonable step is to rework your theory. If you are able to make it stand, I would very much be interested in learning what you come up with.
     
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    JonC, Jan 26, 2017
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