What do we have here? Another KenH drive by thread?
If nationalized health care is soooooo bad...
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Feb 21, 2009.
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"Most "solutions" coming from Washington have very little to do with actually" solving any problem; mostly they just exacerbate whatever they "SAY" they are correcting.
At least those in the "non-constitutional" endeavors of our esteemed "leadership"(?)!! -
Nationalized health care is one of the most important needs we have in our country.
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Isn't good quality health care more important than just nationalized health care? -
If we get nationalized health care we will get euthanasia which may be poetic justice for the generation that sat silently by as 50 million unborn babies were slaughtered.
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Are you willing to wait two years for your medical care? If you talk to people in Europe you will find many people hate the healthcare system they have.
What needs to be fixed more than the healthcare system, and it needs work too, is the insurance racket in this country. If people could/would get health insurance, that would go a long way in solving the healthcare issue.
93% of the bad debt in the hospital I work in is found in the ER. People know that clinics can deny services to folks with out insurance or those who already owe money. But ER's cannot refuse service to anyone. So folks go for non-emergency things rack up huge bills and never pay that’s why your bills are so high. Hospitals will get their money. This is a business not a ministry.
This country needs to realize you cannot want Neiman Marcus services and products and expect to only pay wal-mart prices. There is a price tag for having the best medical care in the world.
Nationalized healthcare is not the solution needed in this country. It would only hurt the people not help them.
I am not saying the system does not need attention, we could always make things better. But this is not the way.
You have not heard about how bad it is from Europe and other places because you have not asked. -
You don't seem to understand what the topic is so I will quote the OP here:
"If nationalized health care is sooooooo bad - as conservatives claim- then why don't we see a popular uprising in all of these industrialized countries with representative democratic forms of government that have had nationalized health care for years and years and years - such as Canada and Great Britain????"
So again: Please prove your supposition that the only possible response to a poor national health care system in an industrialized country with a representative democratic form of government is a popular uprising.
If there are other possible responses, then any one offered here is as valid as the one that you are speculating. -
If it's the best thing since sliced bread...then simply answer my question. So far no one has...
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rbell, let me take a quick crack at your question from my viewpoint. Quick synopsis is as follows:
- Current system is badly broken. People lose health insurance if they get laid off from their jobs. Many cannot afford insurance, even if they are employed. The current economy is exacerbating the problem.
- Presently, HMO & PPO bean counters are dictating medical treatment...no different than a government bureaucrat doing so. Their interest isn't your care...it is profit for the company.
- We already spend enough to insure all are covered. Costs are way up, partly because people put off treatment until they have an emergency. The ER becomes the doctors office of last resort, driving up costs to all of us when those without insurance canot pay the tab.
- I think treatment should be between the physician and his or her patient.
- Government can take over administrative functions and see that all are covered. They should not dictate treatment.
- We have 50 live laboratories to trial different ideas. These are called state governments. Let's figure out how to get this done and run some trials. Take the best outcomes and roll it out nationwide.
- In essence, we become one large insured group. Rather than employees of XYZ Company, the group policy is on US Citizens.
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How about you guys do your healthcare experiments with the uninsured or those that want to volunteer and leave the rest of us out of it?
I am very happy with my current healthcare, thank you very much. -
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I also find it interesting that we don't see other industrialized representative democracies attempting to install a United States-style health care system in their countries. -
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I was just reading the blog of someone in Canada. She has a lesion on her skin that she thinks might be skin cancer but she can't find a doctor to take her. She went to the ER just to sit for 8 hours with a kid coughing in her face and she finally left and now is sick. Someone else commented that she needed an X-ray and her appointment was canceled twice.
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People provide anecdotal medical horror stories that occur in the United States, as well, annsni. I imagine you have heard/read some.
Is that good health care? -
- Eventually, we lose the freedom to "opt out" of what will be a bad system. Anti-liberty is anti-American, in my book.
- We will see a mess like the housing crisis...there will be a population who get a "free ride" and show no sense of responsibility...we will pay even more for these people's lack of initiative.
- With no competition, there will be no alternative to bad service (see: Your local DMV).
- You will have no recourse when you are mistreated. (See: suing the IRS...also see: Contacting one's "representative.").
- Freedoms will be eroded like crazy...because the mindset will be: "No, you can't eat those chips...because I'm paying for your healthcare, and so I can rightfully dictate how you live your life." Those of you who are worried about our civil liberties being eroded (JustChristian comes to mind) ain't seen nothing yet...when the "lifestyle police" get through with us, under the auspices of "government healthcare," you will have precious few choices left as to how to conduct your "free time."
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