I agree that if someone is breaking the law, there should be a punishment. I'm simply saying that restrictions for immigration should be eased up, but, govt benefits should be virtually non-existent for non-citizens.
Illegals and the church
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Jul 2, 2009.
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>Sorry, Bill. If you break a law you are a criminal and entering the country illegally is breaking the law (hence the "illegal" part).
You want the law enforced against people you don't like and want a free pass for yourself, right?
Anyway, the thread title . . . do you all also deny and despise the traditional concept of the church as a place of refuge? -
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Christians argue from silence and by their bad driving. If Christians drove under the speed limit it would be the norm because of the physics of driving.
In Washington State the only lanes I can both legally and pragmatically drive the speed limit are the car pool lanes. I get my entertainment by setting the autopilot at the speed limit and watch all the good Christians speed by.
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Billwald, you confuse me. I thought you'd be against the illegal aliens. They steal Union jobs don't they? -
I agree with your statement here.
If one would come to our Hispanic Ministry, and get saved, we would go through the proper channels to get them to be legally here. This teaches the responsibility of the Christian to abide to the law of the land, while at the same time showing Christian kindness...
Here is an article I wrote for our conventions magazine a couple months ago concerning the willingness of Christians to reach out to Latinos.
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I am a child of an immigrant as well. I am kind of biased.
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my great grandparents are from turkey, they entered this country legaly. by entering illegally they show they do not intend on abiding by our laws, they flaunt their illegal activity, and for the most part we do nothing about it
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Just curious to all who have commented on this thread...
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why not? I've been a part of the hispanic ministry at our old church, I knew full well we had people coming each week who were illegal, I wasn't aware of which ones, the pastor was.
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Coool.. the reason I ask is because I know some people that have said they wouldn't. That bothers me.
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exscentric Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Seems it is being intimated that due to their illegal status some would not witness to them. Find that hard to believe since we are to share with all that are lost but anyway????
I live in a city with a high ratio of Hispanics. I find them standoffish, arrogant and unfriendly, but then if I were here illegally I would think I might be the same :laugh: I have found it takes a couple dozen times of being friendly before they will even act like they want to interact. I have had to point at pictures to order my breakfast at times.
I also teach a basic computer class that often is heavy in students that speak little if any English. I've done a 12 week course with some that will never speak to me other than when they have to and all will evade questions as simple as what part of town they live in.
It must be hard knowing that trouble could strike at any time for them, though it IS their fault.
I wish all of them would take what they have learned here and go home and change their own country but I'd guess they will be citizens here before the year is up.
In the church? They are like anyone else till our government says differently. I like the thought of showing them their need to take responsibility once they are saved. It boils down to how would you treat anyone that is doing something illegal - being and illegal alien is no different than any other person involved in illegal activities. -
what free pass? If I speed I am breaking the law. I will not say I am blameless, but I seldom speed anymore. Was I breaking the law? Yes, I was. Had I been caught I would have had to pay the penalty, not get a government handout or a deal under the table. In the times I was exceeding the speed limit I was a criminal and do not deny it. I broke the law, pure and simple.
The same thing applies for any other law of the land. If I break it I am guilty. I may not be caught, but if I am I will have to pay the penalty for breaking that law. I will have no excuse and no way to avoid it.
Illegals come here outside of proper channels. If they are caught they should have to face the consequences for doing so. They are no better than I am. If I entered Mexico illegally I would be arrested and deported (if I were lucky). The same goes for Canada or any other country. There shouldn't be a difference here.
The cities of refuge were for the Jews, not the church. The catholic church may play that game, but I don't.
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righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Sure Would, While Waiting for....
Actually, without sounding so cold, there is no reason to not hsare the Gospel message, that is what we're called to do, Tiny.
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
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Thinkingstuff Active Member
However, don't believe me and build your wall see what happens when our country takes an economic tail dive.
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