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MrW

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I understand your belief. If “dead” in trespasses and sin means you cannot seek God, then “dead” to sin must mean you cannot sin.

I gave you scripture that shows both “dead” in trespasses and sin is taught by scripture AND that “dead” to sin does not mean you are not able to sin.

Your response to me was that you were not talking about scripture… and then you mocked the so called “Calvinist” position as inconsistent.

The “Calvinist” position is based on scripture, which you readily admit you are not talking about.

….and that is the problem and your mocking was unkind. I don’t see how anyone reading it would think otherwise.

However, you are entitled to your opinion. I will leave you to your thread. Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

Sorry if I said I was "not talking about Scripture", per se. I am being Scriptural, (per Calvinism) logically. It's just that I don't believe the Calvinist position is Scriptural. But if Calvinism were Scriptural, and if death were as Calvinism describes, then logically (and then Scripturally also) one cannot sin after salvation just as much as he could not seek God before salvation. You understand?

Secondly, if it seemed as if I was "mocking" Calvinism, I did not intend it to seem that way. I am merely pointing out if before salvation one had Total Inability to seek God because they were dead to God, then logically and Scripturally, it follows as true that after salvation one would have Total Inability to sin because they are now dead to sin. In fact, the latter is more logically true than the former, IMO.

If dead is dead, then it has to work both ways, but if we admit we still sin after salvation, then "dead" doesn't mean "dead" the way Calvinism portrays it, and that means "dead to God" people can seek God (and are even commanded by God to do so) just the same as saved people will at times sin again.

I think I've made that abundantly clear, and may I add that I recently read the rules and this thread is not supposed to be discussing Calvinism. It's a simple thread--in a world where you can be anything, be kind. Isn't that a fruit of the Spirit? Let's not complicate it. You're either kind as a Christian, or you are not. Your choice, and mine. I hope to be kind, and speak the truth in love. If I do fail, I regret it. I've no intent to be rude, especially to those of the household of faith.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I understand your belief. If “dead” in trespasses and sin means you cannot seek God, then “dead” to sin must mean you cannot sin.

I gave you scripture that shows both “dead” in trespasses and sin is taught by scripture AND that “dead” to sin does not mean you are not able to sin.

Your response to me was that you were not talking about scripture… and then you mocked the so called “Calvinist” position as inconsistent.

The “Calvinist” position is based on scripture, which you readily admit you are not talking about.

….and that is the problem and your mocking was unkind. I don’t see how anyone reading it would think otherwise.

However, you are entitled to your opinion. I will leave you to your thread. Thanks for the conversation

peace to you
My brother, this guy is delusional….he will deny anything you point out as off putting and continue with his whine about his innocence. Don’t waste your time.
 
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kyredneck

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My point was one should not blame God for one’s own failures.

My point was "Both our works AND our faith are fruits of being 'born of the Spirit'. Neither are 'of ourselves'."

...and then you made your knee-jerk UNKIND remark.

(but no worries, my skin is really really thick. Just trying to make a point here :))
 

kyredneck

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My point was one should not blame God for one’s own failures.

I wrote:
"Both our works AND our faith are fruits of being 'born of the Spirit'. Neither are 'of ourselves'"

You replied:
".Blame God for your every failure and every fault."

In my mind I was giving God the glory for what I am.

In your mind I was blaming God...for whatever.

Just goes to demonstrate how deep the gulf that lies between our beliefs.
 
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