In the Beginning....

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jedi Knight, Jul 10, 2010.

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  1. Luke2427 Active Member

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    good stuff. thanks
     
  2. Mexdeaf New Member

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    I'm just gonna say- "If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant still" and leave it at that.
     
  3. annsni Well-Known Member
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    Well, neither does creating man who could walk and talk right away.

    We're not talking the natural process of growth here unless we're looking at evolution. God created full plants that produced vegetation. It's not hard for Him.
     
  4. annsni Well-Known Member
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    That there is your problem.

    As I pointed out, an ordinal number and day do not ever mean age. We are speaking regular day here, not age.
     
  5. annsni Well-Known Member
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    In my research, I will disagree.

    He is presenting the different viewpoints - not that he believes this one viewpoint. It is under the heading a. "Old Earth" Theories of Creation; (1)Day-Age View. He also addresses the Literary Framework View as (2). So it is taken out of context as saying it is his own view, which it is not.
     
  6. Robert Snow New Member

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    What research is that?
     
  7. Tom Bryant Well-Known Member

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    Luke 24:27 -

    I asked this a few pages but it may have been lost in the amounts of responses and if you're like me, Sunday's are very busy.

    You said that you arrived at your view of the days of Genesis 1 from your study of the original languages. And that science confirmed it.

    My question is if science all pointed out that we have a young earth, would you go against science and say, "No, the Bible teaches that the earth is old."
     
  8. annsni Well-Known Member
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    In my personal research.
     
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    There is a lot of mythical teaching on both sides of the question and many have posed solutions all through the years. Some fundamentalists presented the "gap theory" to justify certain conflicts between strict creationism and scientific findings. This just shows that there were some questions about the beginnings.

    The "day" has many meanings in both Hebrew and biblical teachings. It is not always a 24 hour period as we moderns know a day to be.

    I have no problem with "in the beginning, God........." I do have a problem with how many write of geological events that are quite evident in history. For example, the evolution of North America, a proven ice-age and development of the hills, dales and cliffs and their rock formations. The only debate here is the timing.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  10. NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    I am a firm believer in the six 24 hour day concept.

    However, I won't divide with a brother over this one.
     
  11. Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    uh...just because you cannot deal with it does not lend to your statement here.
     
  12. Mexdeaf New Member

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    As my personal interpretation of Romans 14:5 says:

    "Let every woman be fully persuaded in her own mind." :laugh:
     
  13. jimc06 New Member

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    Here are a couple passages that take Genesis allegorically/typologically. Of course, these do not deny the historicity of the book, but why don't they validate a figurative interpretation, also?

    24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Galatians 4:24 (NAS)


    14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. Romans 5:14 (NAS)

    These seem to be clear, simple statements. Similarly, when God wants us to know the Cross is literal, there are many clear, simple statements to that effect from Luke, Paul, John, and Peter. So my question is, what clear, simple statements indicate literal interpretation of the creation event?

    Most arguments come from literary analysis, by comparing it to other narratives. Ok, I suggest that we also compare it to other written examples of direct revelation, since it must be that.

    What's wrong with this?
     
  14. annsni Well-Known Member
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    :laugh: :laugh:
     
  15. Robert Snow New Member

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    Well, I'm sure that "research" you have done is extensive. :laugh:
     
  16. annsni Well-Known Member
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    Are you laughing at me?

    Actually, it is. I'm continually a student of Scripture and with the internet and a great church library, I have a limitless source of materials.
     
  17. Tom Bryant Well-Known Member

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    Ann,
    You have 2 things going against you: 1) you're not a "professional" and only professionals can research, and 2) you didn't come up with the same conclusion, so you could not have done real research.

    His response sure sounded patronizing.

    :tongue3:
     
  18. annsni Well-Known Member
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    True. Maybe I should just sit at home and watch soaps and eat bon-bons. It sure would be easier but then my mind would whither away.....

    Ya think??? ;)
     
  19. Darrenss1 New Member

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    False. You use a false claim to demand agreement to your position. Such as unless one agrees to a 24 hour day period for genesis 1 they will be denying the gospel and creation.

    you said -
    I call it weasel words, to steamroll an argument just because you have a different interpretation does not mean the alternative view is contrary to scripture.

    Darren
     
  20. Darrenss1 New Member

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    How do you know?

    Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    There is nothing in the actual context that demands super speed growth, you simply have to assume that based on a 24 hour period of time.

    Who said anything about evolution ?? :BangHead:

    Darren