Featured Indiana GOP Leaders Shocked Their 'Religious Freedom' Law Is Seen As Anti-Gay

Ain't nobody compelling you or anyone else to do anything. If you don't want to do it, get out of the business of providing a service to people and being paid using government printed money.

 

Freedom of religion does not mean giving up your freedom simply because you own a business.

Zaac, you need to take a step back. There are people out there wanting to take a stand and call sin "sin"; but your statements here support the ones who want to call evil "good," and force Christians to call it "good."

 

So I can go to a Jewish-owned delicatessen and order a ham sandwich, and if they tell me only handle kosher meats, they have to get out of business? After all, it's government money I'd be offering them, and they can't limit the scope of their products because of their own beliefs.... can they?

 

You're in error. Making a cake is providing a product AND a service -- just like making a sandwich.

So try answering Alcott again.

 

What for? They are not discriminating against you. They don't serve ANYONE ham sandwiches.

They can limit what they offer all they want if they are limiting it to everyone.

If they are in business in the United States and , for instance, they are in NYC using ham bought in Mississippi and shipped to them, interstate commerce can be used by the government to say you can't tell your customers that you will serve ham sandwiches to black people but not to white people.

But again, your example is moot because they are treating everyone the same.

 

But there is still no discrimination taking place in Alcott's example. Everyone is being treated the same. The deli isn't serving ANYONE ham sandwiches.

 

I have to agree with crabby here.

 

You missed Alcott's point. The analogy is someone going into a kosher deli and demanding that they be given ham, because otherwise the deli owner is forcing their beliefs on them. "We don't serve anyone ham" means that I can't expect the same service as would be provided at a store that serves both kosher and non-kosher.

If we're gonna cater to one, we should cater to all. Isn't that the mantra that's being used to support the government's "right" to force Christians to compromise their beliefs?

 

Don people in business just have to be smart about this. It's a bad business practice to discriminate PERIOD.

But if you're gonna choose to "not serve a group of people", be consistent.

If you don't want to bake cakes for a gay wedding or don't want to cater a gay wedding, make it clear that for religious purposes, I don't provide cakes or catering for non-Biblical weddings or anything else that does not honor and uplift the name of Jesus. THAT is covered by religious freedom because it's in line with keeping with your religious beliefs without discriminating against a group of people.

But you've got to be consistent. You can't refuse the gay wedding but then turn around and do the cake for the barmitzvah.

If you say you've got a belief, then practice it.

But it's silly to say I won't bake a gay wedding cake if you're still baking cakes for adulterers and every other type sinner.

If your policy is that you don't bake cakes for people practicing sin, then say so and treat all of those folks the same.

You'll probably end up just going out of business. And that in itself should alert Christians that there is probably a different way to handle these situations.

 

One should not have to cater to pedophiles or the Clintons.

 

Then they can limit the wedding cakes they make to having a bride and groom decor-- you know, those little people on top-- and those are the only kind they make and sell. How's that?

If a Jewish caterer is asked to serve a big Nazi bash, and refuses to do so, that's not treating everyone the same. So can it legally be done?

 

That's fine if that's all they offer to everyone. If all wedding cakes come with a little bride and groom on top, and that's how I make every wedding cake, then it's not discrimination to say I don't make wedding cakes with two little men or two little ladies on top.

If they want to buy the little people and stick them on top themselves, have at it. But I don't sell the cakes like that for ANYONE.

Does the Jewish caterer reject all bashes for folks who hate him?

 

:laugh: Jesus IS the worker of miracles.

 

Gays should go to Jews with their problems because Democrats should stick together.

 

So I wonder what your excuse will be for sticking with him in the GOP?

 

You are the one who would bake a cake for him.