Is Creation BY or THROUGH Jesus Christ?

Oh no

 

What is it about begotten that you recoil so much about, as that term just means Jesus is eternal, not a created being?

 

It was not inspired, no creed or confession ever was, but they chose their term to refute Arinaism!

 

I do not see subordination here, but an affirmation of the full deity of Jesus!

 

the Greek μονογενὴς does not mean BEGOTTEN. But, ONE OF A KIND, UNIQUE

 

the use of the Greek preposition, ἐκ, is used with the meaning, "out of", as "coming from the source". When it says, "Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ", it means that Jesus Christ is "true God" as DERIVED from the Father, and not in and of Himself. This is subordinationism, where the Father is the "source" of the Deity of Jesus Christ, which is RANK HERESY!

 

it is a compound word in the Greek μονογενὴς, from μόνος, "only" and γένος "kind", or, "of a single kind", also, "unique".

If John meant "only-begotten", the he would have used the correct Greek word, which is, “μονογέννητος”; but he uses
“μονογενὴς”, which never means BEGETTING. Regardless of Strong, who, like the KJV and others, are confused by the change by Jerome, from the Old Latin,"unicus (unique)", to "unigenitus (only-begotten)"

 

Is there any one else eternally begotten, as would that not indeed make Jesus unique and one of a kind?

 

One of a kind, μονογενὴς, I agree, now what does son mean? Is it a relative, word, relative in what manner?

Example:

So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

How are the underlines words relative one to another? What does the word, begotten, mean in this statement?

See Part 2

 

Why are you hung up on BEGOTTEN?

 

Why is it so bad to you?

 

Simply because people misunderstand what it actually means and therefore misuse it

 

Are you presenting that the KJV is not reliable? :)

Actually, "unique" fits quite well and is used in Isaiah when it says of God, "...there is none like me..."

 

The KJV and any other translation that uses only begotten are wrong. The Greek does not support their rendering

 

The Greek word has nothing to do with BIRTH or anything like that

 

I wonder how close the 14th century English is to Ebonics?

 

monogenés

Mono - one

Genos - only offspring.

Yep, seems like it is related to birth in some genetic manner. How else are genes of two made into one?