First, the OP is regarding Justice, not mercy. Second, rants are not arguments. Third, you won't dismiss me with ad hominem attacks. They only prove one of two things. Either you don't understand the subject well enough to argue it with them, or you do understand the subject well enough to understand that you are on the losing side of it, so you play the Nazi card in order to deflect and distract.
Is God Unjust if Arminianism is true?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Nov 11, 2017.
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I said Nazis are not like Calvinist, was something I said offensive? How is saying Nazis are not like calvinist a ad hominen attack?
You were limited to only two options.
For example someone comes at you, I believe God is totally supreme sovereignty so If you are not of my faith then you must not believe God is supreme.
Heres the sneaky play your making on the Amrenians:
" but countless millions live and dies without ever hearing His name. They effectively have no "chance" at salvation,"
I guess no preaching of the gospel is necessary with Calvinism. Because according to you a weakness of Armenian stance is that people don't hear the gospel, have NO CHANCE and you equate that as injustice.
This implies that Calvinist don't need to hear the gospel.
Please..... Calvinism is justice?
Yes Calvinism is absolute true Justice.
Much UNLIKE how Nazis believe it is true Justice just because you were chosen to be born Aryan, which is hitler-god's PURE JUSTICE, to pick some for his master race and others for burning in the death camps below the earth.
I agree, Calvinism is pure Justice.
I don't see Calvinist and Nazis having anything remotely in common. LOL! -
Well, I got to test two things this morning. First, I got to see how the "ignore" feature works.
Second, I tested my Bible memorization, and it has paid off. Proverbs 26:4 came directly to mind this morning. -
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Those under the law will be judged by that standard, and those who are "ignorant" of jesus will be judged by how they rejected the light God gave unto them, as NONE will be without cause judged guilty before Holy God! -
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Luke 12
47“And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
This makes no sense in Calvinism. Because to whom most is given LESS IS REQUIRED! -
I guess all of the non-Calvinists have left the building. Is no one able to defend their belief system in regard to the OP?
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1. John 3:16 "God so loved the WORLD that He gave ..--- yes really"
2. 2 Peter 3 "God is not WILLING that any should perish... yes really"
3. 2 John 2:2 "Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and NOT for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD... yes really"
4. God sent His Son to be the "Savior of the WORLD... yes really" 1 John 4:10-14
An Arminian believes: all those texts just listed
a) ALL men have sinned against a holy God; therefore, they deserve condemnation.
b) God sent His Son to make salvation possible for all mankind, then sends His Holy Spirit and "DRAWS ALL mankind unto Him" John 12:32 supernatural drawing of God enables all the "CHOICE" that depravity disabled.
John 16 "The holy Spirit convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment... yes really".
Calvinists will sometimes complain about these texts in the Bible by arguing ", but countless millions live and dies without ever hearing His name. " - in true salvation-by-best-story which does not work. Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in Matt 17 before He even goes to the cross. How much "of the full and complete story" did the thief on the cross know before he died?
Romans 10 reminds us of how this works.
So also does Romans 2:13-16 remind us of how gentiles who have no access to scripture at all - were being saved.
And also - Matthew 7 does NOT say "God is willing that the many should perish"
2 Peter 3 DOES say "God is NOT willing that ANY should perish" -
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