Wrong again! Jesus is the only Saviour that every sinner needs. Read the Bible, where Jesus Himself says in John 16, "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged." (7-11). the "world" here is the entire human race. If as you say ALL are "totally depraved", then how can they ever respond to the "convicting" of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus says they CAN!
Is man restricted to his own Nature?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by MB, Dec 1, 2017.
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I am not saying this is your reason, but often times individuals refuse labels because they do not want to go on the record about what they believe. They leave themselves an out, just like a politician. In other words, they do not want to be wrong. Now, I agree that we can "ism" things to death. That happens when a person has not taken the time (or does not possess the ability) to reason from scripture on a point of doctrine. It is easier to jump on someone else's bandwagon than to put together a biblical defense. -
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"In Spite of All of the Foregoing Statements, We Have to Come to the Point Where We Confess That We Do Not Understand How It Is That God Can Ordain That We Carry Out Evil Deeds and Yet Hold Us Accountable for Them and Not be Blamed Himself: We can affirm that all of these things are true, because Scripture teaches them. But Scripture does not tell us exactly how God brings this situation about or how it can be that God holds us accountable for what he ordains to come to pass. Here Scripture is silent, and we have to agree with Berkhof that ultimately “the problem of God’s relation to sin remains a mystery" (Systematic Theology, p.331. emphasis mine)
God "ordains" that we carry out evil deeds, and then after following His "ordination", He holds us accountable? Wow, if this is not making God the "author" of sin, then I don't know what it means. for sure the Holy Bible does NOT teach this anywhere. But for those who hold that God has "decreed everything that comes to pass", this is what they would have to teach. -
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So, again I ask you, if Total Depravity is wrong, which part of you, your body, soul, or spirit are you claiming is unfallen and still in sinless perfection?
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"God from all eternity did by the most and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin; nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established."
So, here we have God "ordaining" whatsoever (everything) that comes to pass, and then they try to wriggle out, by saying it does not make God the author of sin! If God ordains ALL THINGS, then this MUST include sin, or else it is NOT all things! -
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