17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Does this scripture apply to today's believers?
Is Mark 16:17-20 for today?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by luke1616, Aug 16, 2010.
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II Cor 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds. -
Hebrews 2:3-4
...so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? -
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pinoybaptist Active MemberSite Supporter
had a close relative who said that scripture still applies today.
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It is for today in the sense it is the eternal word of God from which nothing will be lost. However, the statement was prophetic of what would happen during the period of time delineated in the book of Acts. So, it is fulfilled prophecy and should not be considered the norm for today.
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pinoybaptist Active MemberSite Supporter
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I would hesitate to build a doctrine around those verses, since Mark's authorship of them has been called into question by many reputable scholars.
Here's one:
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Reminds of the late Wendy Bagwell when asked if he would handle a snake if the Lord told him to responded somewhat like thi,. "The Lord ain't told me to and I aint!"
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pinoybaptist Active MemberSite Supporter
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I'm not a scholar, but some of those who raise questions about that passage are conservatives, inerrantists. They have a very high view of Scripture.
I don't think we ought to blow them off, the way we might some liberal scholars, like those in the Jesus Seminar, who want to tear big chunks out of the Bible.
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It never was for the church.. as it doesn't belong in the Word of God..
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I don't want to abandon faith, either. I think one can make the case that such supernatural things mentioned in the Mark passage were designed to authenticate gospel in the absence of a written canon, and no longer are necessary. For that reason, and because the passage's authorship has been called into question, I would suggest that one be careful about building a doctrine around those verses. -
righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Do You Not ......
... practice the laying on of hands when someone is sick and requesting prayer??? Conversely, are these gifts and practices reserved just for the early church? Is there not a possibility that they were meant to equip the church to fight the spiritual war Paul speaks about in Eph. 6?
I believe that any gift mentioned in the B is available to the body when it will bring glory and honor to Jesus and the Father.
Paul told us that we are fighting a supernatural [evil] enemy [Eph. 6], so are we not going to cast out demons if, and they present themselves?
I'm just wondering how we can effectively minister when we decide to omit gifts and practices that Jesus specifically told His followers, that "they too would do these things, in His name."
As for the snakes....I don't believe that anyone of us is to"tempt the Lord, God" by purposely holding and daring a snake to bite us; Alternatively, to drink poison. Jesus told Satan that God was not to God. However, the snake thing was prevalent to an area that was inhabited by poisonous snakes, and I believe the Lord wanted His followers to know that if they were bitten while serving Him, they would not die. Again, they were not told to [ seek out poisonous and be bitten to test God at His word. That is a sin!
I think some of you are missing out on a lot of blessings [by closing your minds and hearts to what God can do through prayer and faith in Him], and have no hope when it comes to the supernatural attacks of the devil on the church.
Shalom,
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A dear deceased Brother in the Lord told me this one time.....He was talking to someone about snakehandling, and my friend told him that he handled snake all the time! His friend stated, "I never knew a United Baptist that handled snakes"! My friend then replied, "I handle mine with a long goose-neck hoe"! That was a funny story right there. I still miss my dear old friend. May you still rest in peace, Brother Cecil!!
i am I am's!!
Willis -
Permit me a story here:
A Baptist preacher had a Pentecostal preacher friend, who invited him to a revival service. So he went. As was customary, all visiting preachers were invited to sit on the platform.
During the service, a man went over to a box and pulled out a couple of rattlesnakes. The Baptist preacher leaned over to his Pentecostal pastor friend and said, "I'm sorry, I can stay here for this. Is there a back way out of here?"
"Nope, there's no back door out of here."
"Then," said the Baptist preacher, "where do you want one?"
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