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Featured Is Mattew 12:40 Employing Common Jewish Idiomatic Language?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by rstrats, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. th1bill

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    A Christian is a Believer, period! If you believe Jesus took 6 days or 6 million years and God rested for a million years (does not fit) does it matter? I'm not sure, but I remain on the Conservative side of the issue, God/Jesus created the Earth we live on in six, twenty-four hour days because that is what scripture teaches. Jesus condemned all of this over thinking an issue, promised never to allow these into Heaven and then in Matthew promised, to the best of my recollection, and except you believe as a small child, you cannot enter into Heaven."
     
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    th1bill,
    re: "A Christian is a Believer, period! If you believe Jesus took 6 days or 6 million years and God rested for a million years (does not fit) does it matter?"

    That would be an issue for a different topic.

    Someone new looking in, however, may know of examples.
     
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    Van,

    You have a question directed to you in post #56.
     
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    Sometimes biblical interpretations are precluded either by the context of the passage or by other passages. I showed with two examples where "3 days and 3 nights" could be understood to be an idiom meaning the day after tomorrow. Since this is the simplest solution to the problem, it remains the one I accept.
     
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    Van,
    re: "I showed with two examples where '3 days and 3 nights' could be understood to be an idiom meaning the day after tomorrow. Since this is the simplest solution to the problem, it remains the one I accept."



    That's an issue for a different topic.

    Let me try again:

    1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".



    2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.



    3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.



    4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.



    5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.



    6.But In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.



    6. For the purpose of this topic, I am merely asking for some of the examples being used to support an assertion of commonality.



    There is nothing in your 2 examples that precludes at least a portion of each one of the daytimes and at least a portion of each one of the night times.
     
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    At the end of the year, perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.
     
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    JoJ,

    Glad to see you are familiar with one of my SBC heroes enough to quote him.

    rd
     
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    Rhetorician,

    Are you a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion?
     
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    LIghtfoot was a great scholar!
     
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    Rhetorician,

    You still have a question directed to you in post #68.
     
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    Remember Jesus was in the tomb by Passover, killed mid-afternoon Wed as well the Passover Lambs. The Last Supper was the Feast of the Preparation/
    High Sabbath Thursday
    Weekly Sabbath Fri night,
    The women had only Fri to buy spices to apply Sunday after the weekly Sabbath
    It was regular week
     
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    loDebar,
    re: "Remember Jesus was in the tomb by Passover, killed mid-afternoon Wed..."

    That's an issue for a different topic.

    Perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.
     
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    Does this not answer the Op,? It was a regular week, no Jewish Idiomatic language was used.
    Romans watches and Jewish watches, Roman days Jewish days,
     
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    loBebar,
    re: "Does this not answer the Op,?"

    It doesn't. See post #65.
     
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    It did, partial day is incorrect.

    The only reason the shortened theory exists is the incorrect understanding missusage trying to explain of the two Sabbaths.

    Jesus Last Supper is not Passover, which is very important. He was THE Passover Lamb Wednesday Passover

    Are these timeline shortened as well? no, One narrative has Roman time, I think.
    Mat 12:40
    For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
    Jon 1:17
    Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three daysand three nights.
     
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    loDebar,
    re: "It did, partial day is incorrect."


    That's an issue for a different topic. See post #65.
     
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    why do you just quote from #65?
     
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    loDebar,
    re: "why do you just quote from #65"

    Because post #65 states the purpose of this topic. You need to read it.
     
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    Read , reread, discounted fully, There is no idiom in use, THE PREMISE IS INCORRECT. The suggestion is based upon error from incomplete understanding of Jewish Law and ceremony.

    Told you it was wrong, and why it is wrong.
     
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    loDebar,

    re: "Told you it was wrong, and why it is wrong.


    Indeed, but again that's an issue for a different topic. Read post #65 again.
     
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