Correction, it shows leadership in serious Doctrinal Error.
Luther had no intention of revolutionizing the Catholic Church, but to reform it.
Did you read what I said?
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Is the RCC a cult?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Robert William, May 20, 2015.
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Simply no way to argue with that logic.
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That all groups have apostates, yes, but, an Apostate Church, no.
Again, there are numerous Catholics that do not bother themselves with understanding just exactly what it is that official Catholic Doctrine teaches, and among those who go to Catholic Churches, I think we can distinguish, at least a little bit, between them. You will find, like among Baptists, those who are nominal, those who are fanatical, those who are conservative, those who are Liberal, but, among them you are not going to find a unification in belief despite the fact that we would think there would be.
When all born again believers are removed from this world, and all that is left are natural men scratching their heads and wondering what to do, you will see Antichrist step up and provide the remedy for the catastrophes that the Seal Judgments will unleash. They will be unified, and many of them will be professing "believers" who may have spent their entire lives attending Christian fellowships.
In that day we will truly see an Apostate "Church."
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It became officially apostate when it rejected the reformation, and codifed the Council of trent! -
Secondly, how the official doctrine is interpreted, and it is open to interpretation, and interpreted differently by Catholics, is another issue to be considered.
Surprised?
I could not care less whether some people want to think that Martin Luther, or any Reformer...resinstituted proper understanding of Scripture to the world.
I have asked you before, have you ever read the 95 Theses?
I look at it as kind of like the KJVonly camp...exactly which version do you refer to when you say "I am KJVonly?"
My faith and Theology do not look to the Reformation for guidance or understanding. I look to God and His Word.
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And whether you are a KJVO or not, that will not be the issue to divide over, nor where salvation rests upon!
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The Reformers did not give us the Word of God, God did. Just because we see agreement between the Reformers' Theology doesn't mean that we have to look to them for guidance in understanding Scripture, and in fact, just my opinion, the natural tendency to want to defend Systems men embrace can lead to the inevitable tendency to rationalize what is error.
So let's appeal the the Author, not the commentators.
I am not saying I do not find error, and grievous error, in their Doctrine and Practice, I do. What I am saying is that we find error in every group, so we have to deal with the error of those groups on an individual basis, because before we can determine if a Catholic, or Protestant, or Evangelical is in error...we have to know what it is they believe first.
Now I remember where it was, lol...
So if he believes the above, do you think that there is a possibility that he is saved?
Lastly, probably the most disturbing thing I would find in many of the debates among faiths is the tendency to defend the denomination rather than simply Defend the Faith. Again, this is a result of indoctrination to Systems of Theology, which in itself is not a tragedy, its just when one refuses to acknowledge error in that System that the tragedy arises.
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The Kjvo position cannot be subtained by either the bible or textual criticism!
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As far as "Not just the Bible and Holy Spirit," I disagree with that tremendously, because it is the Word of God, and His Spirit, which prevents complete and total abandonment of Biblical Doctrine. There is always going to be a remnant.
And it is the error, lol, that keeps man humble.
Many people recite the doctrine of their group, but not all of them actually understand it, and when it comes to the official doctrine, I have found often that Catholics have a tendency of presenting Apologetic responses to certain caricatures often imposed on Catholics, such as worshiping Mary, for example.
Its just a fact that some people are going to believe stupid stuff.
You can quote me on that.
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So we do not overlook the role of such in the discipling of new converts, but, we do not overlook the responsibility each convert has to walk with Christ in a personal manner, rather than, as I believe many do, simply adopting the "faith" someone else indoctrinates them to.
This is one of the primary beefs I have with Catholic Doctrine, they convince people that they should not, for themselves, meditate on the Word of God, and Heaven forbid they should question the conclusions the leadership has presented as irrefutable.
It is said that as Martin Luther walked with another priest one day, the other Priest made the comment "Imagine what would happen if the Word of God got into the hands of the Plow Boy."
This is illustrative of the stranglehold the Catholic Church had, and still has, on the Word of God in regards to the individual believer. But, the good news is, Luther is a prime example that faulty leadership does not negate the Power of the Word of GOd and the Holy Spirit to instruct the believer, despite indoctrination.
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Also have seen where at times some would place reading and knowing of others such as a Calvin on apr with knowing the bible, or at least that is how it came across! -
As far as studying the "literature" of one's group, I think most do that.
For people like this, doesn't matter what group they belong to. They are, at least in the beginning, simply religious folks. Let's hope that the influence of the Word of God in their lives will impact them to the point where they recognize the Truth of the Gospel and, if they are not saved (which is not our place to say), that they will be saved by their exposure to the Word of God.
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Or did they just exchange one religious pursuit for another?
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The Roman Catholic cult in their Catechism teaches that we can merit grace necessary for salvation and that eternal life is attained by baptism, sacraments, and keeping the commandments.
1. CCC 2010, "...Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life."
2. CCC 2027, "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods."
3. CCC 2068, "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."
This obviously faulty teaching in the CCC is hugely problematic since it contradicts Scripture.
1. Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2. Rom. 4:3, "For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
3. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
4. Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
5. Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
6. Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
We have to ask questions.
1. Why is the RCC teaching that you attain salvation through observing the commandments when the Bible says we are saved apart from the works of the Law (Rom. 3:28-30; 4:5; Gal. 2:16)?
2. Why would the Roman Catholic Church teach that you merit for yourself the grace needed for eternal life when that clearly contradicts Rom 11:6? See also Matt 7:21-23.
There is a great deal wrong with what the RCC teaches. We must look to God's word and not to what the RCC says we must do to be saved. Our salvation is not merited by our keeping the commandments! The Roman Catholic Church needs to repent. -
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1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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