You are deflecting. You are the one that brought up the passage. And now you ignore what the passage teaches.
Forget it.
Isaiah 66 and Acts
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by asterisktom, Jun 24, 2021.
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I get it Tom, you are fully committed to your doctrine and don't want the embarrassment of having to admit error because the simpletons of the faith are expecting Jehovah to do exactly what he said he would. -
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This 66th chapter of Isaiah makes so much more sense, however, when you see it as having special reference to the crooked terminal Jewish generation of the first century. Stephen, before he was stoned by those Jews, quoted verse one of this chapter. He clearly had them in mind. Read also the following verses about sacrifices, once legitimate, now become abhorrent in the sight of God. This all clearly fits in with that last generation.
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
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Jesus said if you don't believe Moses you will not believe Me because he (Moses) wrote of me. Psalm 1 speaks of delighting in the law. I know an conservative Jewish man who has most of the OT memorized. He can run rings around me when it comes to reciting Bible verses. The difference between him and me is I believe it and he doesn't. Your preterism is looking for a way to avoid believing that Jehovah's message prior to the first century is the same as after the first century.
Because we are saved by grace through faith in the risen Christ we do not need the OT rituals to point us in the right direction. Keep in mind that the Jews in the first century knew their Bible verses as well as we do if not better but since most of them didn't believe the actual words they rejected Christ. It is as simple as that. -
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Forget it. I am tired of trying to get you to think about your passage. -
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Like I wrote earlier, there are more connections between this chapter and the first century than just this verse. Here are a few others that I think are worthy of notice:
1, ¶ Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
As I wrote earlier, Stephen quoted this passage in Acts 7,
2, For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3, He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb,1 as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth2 incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4, I also will choose their delusions,3 and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
What God considers abhorrent here are these acts of sacrifice. The acts themselves. Nowhere does God say the judgment is on the sacrificers because of hypocrisy or any other sin. The point is that these acts - at this time - are now considered abominable. When did this happen? Certainly when Christ had already been sacrificed as the only acceptable sin-offering. So, going back to these previous acts of devotion are abominable. They would be accounting the sacrifice of Christ an unclean thing.
5, ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
As Christ warned His disciples there would come a time when those persecuting them, putting them to death, would think they are doing God service. The "appearing" here is the Parousia c. AD 70, bringing joy to believers and shame to the enemies of Christ.
6, A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7, Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8, Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
The "nation born at a once" was the holy nation and royal priesthood that Peter wrote of. And Christ forewarned the Pharisees of this very thing in Matt. 21:43:
"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
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