A lot of posters in Amy's (closed) thread, EWF in particular seem to claim a person also needs to "show" a change in character or conversion. It is clear in John that belief in Jesus for eternal life is all that is necessary and you should be absolutely sure the moment that you believe that. Can someone explain, with scripture, why repentance, or changing your character are required for eternal life?
It takes more than belief in Jesus's promise for eternal life to be saved?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by HungryInherit, Sep 1, 2013.
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Earth Wind & Fire posted this. Seems like he posted this on his throne from Rome. Looks like works are needed and Christ alone isn't enough. I thought this was baptist discussion?
Not really..... His 2nd example makes an argument for Carnal Christians. A Saved Person does indeed need to take serious issue with their sins. They must really take stock of their sins & make adjustments.....Christian life is a commitment, a change of heart, developing a conscience so your no longer a back sapping, lying bush whacker.... so somewhere in your walk you will need to recognize your sins, grieve over them & stop doing them....otherwise you really aren't a Christian....and your biggest sin is "the sin of unbelief" if truth be known. -
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Matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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2 Corinthians 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life." -
Demons "believe" . .and tremble.
Sometimes the Bible uses metonymy or synecdoche as "short cuts" in language.
Like "believe" or "faith". Is that ALL that is involved in salvation or is it a part that represents the whole package?
We condemn "Christians" (there's one of those "short cut" words!) who will pull a verse or a phrase and say THAT IS 100% of the Bible's teaching on the subject. Catholics do this on Mary; cruisematics do it on the holy Spirit gifts.
Put ALL the Word of God together, and we find "believe" is just one part of the wonderful doctrine of salvation. But don't think it is the ONLY thing. It the "package" we call SALVATION BY GRACE is regeneration, reconciliation, redemption, repentance, election, assurance, conversion, et al - each playing a particular role in the whole concept! -
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People can package it up any way they like to but your idea of salvation IS NOT faith alone, in Christ alone. Some people can't escape the brain washing they received in Catholic Church.
I wish you luck in your on going story of salvation, but the truth is your salvation is cemented and you're saved by faith. -
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Brother ....take note of this as do I, "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak & slow to become angry"....:smilewinkgrin:
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True BELIEF on Jesus Christ will send you into confession and repentance because you see just how wretched you are in comparison to His HOLINESS.
That BELIEF is simple but pregnant with His divineness, His greatness, His Holiness, His righteousness.
True belief leavs you naked and exposed before a Holy God.
True belief will make you shout and cry out Lord forgive me for I have sinned.
True belief will take you to the foot of the Cross and right on into His loving arms!!!
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Perhaps they were associating themselves with a certain local church of which they were members (but not saved) - the tares of Matthew 13?
Although they called Him Lord Lord, one thing they did not do when the idictment came was to plead for mercy.
It seems that in this encounter they were still alive after the flesh, if so, it was not too late.
Also, He called them workers of iniquity (as opposed to their life being typified by resultant fruit of the Spirit - "thou good and faithful servant").
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30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. -
I think if a atheist was stranded with nothing but a bible on a deserted island and he wanted to get saved.....faith alone would do it. In his situation faith would be all he could do. It would be impossible to get Baptized and not a whole lot to repent from when stranded alone on a island. I think God would have mercy and be rejoiced that this lost soul found Christ and believed.
For the rest of us who aren't in a slim to none situation we must follow the commands of Christ. Repent and be baptized. Learn to love and be as close to Christ as we can. After all the 2 greatest commandments are to love God and love your neigbor. If you confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord you are saved. A saved person has orders to follow as stated above. A truly saved person will follow these orders with eagerness to please God -
Must though have real faith, which would mean that we are new creatures in Jesus, being born again, and would thus have the Holy spirit indwelling us, and we are fully justified at moment jesus saves us, but also start the sauctification process, which ends when we are fully sauctified at resurrection of the Body!
problem is that too many confuse justification with sauctification, and too many fail to rrealise that faith in jesus will also have evidence of new life, there will be some change in a sinnrs thoughts/deeds/actions, something to point to salvation!
So we are indeed saved by grace thru faith alone, but once saved, will start process to becoming more like Jesus!
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