I'll share my venison with you if it comes to that.:thumbs:
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I'll share my venison with you if it comes to that.:thumbs:
My husband was able to get one deer last year. He is hoping for three this year to last us for a year. If he dresses them himself, and depending on the size of the deer, I'm figuring that's (approx) anywhere from 210.00 to 260.00 for processing. That's approx 260.oo for a year's worth of meat. We can not do that in any grocery store, even shopping all sales. And we believe that is God providing for us.
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I don't hunt but some in my family do. I've got to tell you, venison tastes so good, but I've noticed some people won't eat it (like my cousin.) Oh well, they can miss out. :laugh:
I'm a gunowner. I was an outdoorsman. I hunted avidly growing up. My entire family including those on my wife's side are gun enthusiasts and hunters. You can't snow me, so don't try. I know why people engage in the sport of hunting. It isn't for food, it's for the thrill. What one does with the carcass afterward, whether it's eaten or given to charity or allowed to rot in the woods, is irrelevant.
Question: Is hunting for sport moral?
I'm not asking about killing for food, population or pest control. I'm asking about hunting for sport.
Question: Is hunting for sport moral?
I'm not asking about killing for food, population or pest control. I'm asking about hunting for sport.
YES.. it is moral.. Plus, if you don't want to eat it.. give it away to someone who will.. to waste it would be immoral.
For example.. http://www.mountaineerfoodbank.com/hhh.html
Churches are sent letters from this organization each yr, letting the hunters know where to donate their venison.
NO where does God say, Thou shalt not kill animals....
I think the real difference is in culture.. Webby is from the city.. I am from the country...
I used to love going hunting, getting into the woods, with nature, and the thrill of pulling the trigger to get the trophy. If this is a sin.. show me from God's word.
I don't hunt now.. but I would if I wanted too.. I have no problems at all downing a big 10 point Buck, and praising God for it....
NOW dragging it out of the woods.. that's immoral!!!!!! Especially up a HILL!
For example.. http://www.mountaineerfoodbank.com/hhh.html
Churches are sent letters from this organization each yr, letting the hunters know where to donate their venison.
NO where does God say, Thou shalt not kill animals....
I think the real difference is in culture.. Webby is from the city.. I am from the country...
I used to love going hunting, getting into the woods, with nature, and the thrill of pulling the trigger to get the trophy. If this is a sin.. show me from God's word.
I don't hunt now.. but I would if I wanted too.. I have no problems at all downing a big 10 point Buck, and praising God for it....
NOW dragging it out of the woods.. that's immoral!!!!!! Especially up a HILL!
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Yes, I think it is.
It is ordained and allowed by scripture.
There is joy that comes from a well executed hunt. When I know that I have scouted the animals properly, the population is healthy; I have positioned myself well, was quiet and scent free, and then executed a well placed shot and watch the animal fall.
Yea! I love that. And I don't see why I should not. I don't hunt as much as I used to, mainly because the deep populations where I live is pretty sparse, but I still get out a couple times a year.
There is also the entire self sufficiency thing. It is similar to the thrill I get finding wild plants. Knowing that I could make it if all this civilized stuff was gone makes me feel better about myself.
Is anyone arguing that it is immoral? What is their rational?
Maybe it is a cultural thing, but I cannot see how killing an animal for the pure joy of killing can be moral. Death came about because of sin, and to take pleasure in taking any life for the sheer enjoyment of the "trophy" or the strategy, "thrill", whatever you want to call it is sick, IMO.
Would it be acceptable, moral and biblically supported to randomly look for stray dogs and cats and stomp their heads all for the sake of the "thrill"?
Animals are part of God's creation (and important enough to save them during the flood), and to snuff out their lives for pleasure and no other reason is highly immoral.
I'm no PETA supporter or animal rights activist, but I do love animals and would never take pleasure in killing them just for fun. Some of you really need to do some self evaluation to see if taking pleasure in something caused by sin should be taken as lightly as you do.
Would it be acceptable, moral and biblically supported to randomly look for stray dogs and cats and stomp their heads all for the sake of the "thrill"?
Animals are part of God's creation (and important enough to save them during the flood), and to snuff out their lives for pleasure and no other reason is highly immoral.
I'm no PETA supporter or animal rights activist, but I do love animals and would never take pleasure in killing them just for fun. Some of you really need to do some self evaluation to see if taking pleasure in something caused by sin should be taken as lightly as you do.
Aaron: Is hunting for sport moral? I'm not asking about killing for food, population or pest control. I'm asking about hunting for sport.
TomMann: Yes!!!!!!!!!
tinytim: YES.. it is moral.. NO where does God say, Thou shalt not kill animals....
NTC: There is joy that comes from a well executed hunt. When I know that I have scouted the animals properly, the population is healthy; I have positioned myself well, was quiet and scent free, and then executed a well placed shot and watch the animal fall. Yea! I love that.
Killing animals for fun is moral?
Scripture?
What if I find shooting puppies fun?
TomMann: Yes!!!!!!!!!
tinytim: YES.. it is moral.. NO where does God say, Thou shalt not kill animals....
NTC: There is joy that comes from a well executed hunt. When I know that I have scouted the animals properly, the population is healthy; I have positioned myself well, was quiet and scent free, and then executed a well placed shot and watch the animal fall. Yea! I love that.
Killing animals for fun is moral?
Scripture?
What if I find shooting puppies fun?
I agree with you, which is a good part of why I speak so strongly for people hunting and fishing for themselves. Part of what we are told in Scripture is to be careful with our earth, to care for it and to treat the animals properly. If you've been to places where meat is produced for commercial use, you most likely will not walk out with a sense that we are feeding or treating those animals carefully and with a sense of gratefulness for God's provision. (cows are NOT natural carnivores)
It is not healthy for the animals OR for us!
Do you know that even seeds...SEEDS are being patented and made so that you cannot regrow from your own plants?
Most of the meat at your grocery store IS commercially produced, contrary to whoever that was who contradicted me and said the gov is not involved. Who runs the FDA? Farmers? Your next door neighbor?
When possible, buy local if you can't do for yourself....
Back to the thread!
Yes, it's wrong to hunt for fun. We should not take pleasure in the death of any living creature. An animal's life should be taken with a sense of humility, respect, and thankfulness for God's provision of food. They should be taken down in the most ethical manner we have at our disposal, which means as quickly and painlessly as possible, after having been raised (if we raised them instead of hunted them wild) in a decent way.
The hyperbole is unbecoming....
Genesis 27:2-7
2 And he said, Behold now, I am old, I know not the day of my death:
3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;
4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die.
5 And Rebekah heard when Isaac spake to Esau his son. And Esau went to the field to hunt for venison, and to bring it.
6 And Rebekah spake unto Jacob her son, saying, Behold, I heard thy father speak unto Esau thy brother, saying,
7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the LORD before my death.
Isaac asked Esau to go and hunt for venison. Why? Isaac longed for the savory meal his wife would prepare. Nothing noble. Just a desire of an old man for the smell of a favorite dish while it cooked. It has been that way for thousands of years. Game animals are hunted, in some cases, out of necessity. Some are hunted for pleasure - afield or at the table. What was the case for Isaac? He had a hankerin' for deer meat. Esau was ready to fulfill two joys - one to please his father and the other to enjoy the hunt. Maybe that is why God hates Esau! Perhaps God hates all Bambi killers.
Hunting puppies? Coyote, maybe.
Isn't the Spirit of God obvious enough? Is there not enough knowledge of God given to know that pleasure in death is not part of God's nature?
When the earth was created, Adam was admonished to CARE FOR IT, included the animals. Every creature was brought to Adam to be named. We are told that if we come across an animal in pain, even if we do not know who owns it, we are to help that animal.
Animals are given a day of rest...the same as we are. After the flood, God made a covenant with humans AND animals.
Common sense here...if God thinks enough of animals to do all this, to make provision for their care and treatment, can you not use the brain God put behind your face to figure out that taking a gun and causing an animal needless fear and pain for our own pleasure is not just pointless, but a slap in the face of that animal's creator?
If a man wants to show off his bravery and marksmanship, aim for the middle of the toilet bowl and don't miss. If you're a woman, try it standing. Other than that, go hunt a carrot in your garden and don't shoot animals unless you need them. When you do need them, thank God for them and do not cause them needless pain, fear, and/or suffering.
*sigh* I already said the question wasn't about killing for food.
I don't love deer or baby seals. Deer are destructive flea bags, and baby seals are polar bear food.
No, absolutely not. What you call the Spirit might just be a bit of underdone potatoe giving you indigestion.
That's a green potato, not an underdone one. You really should be more careful with how you treat Darles Chickens. :thumbs:
Are there really folk who just shoot the critters, take a few pictures and leave the dead animal out in the woods? All the game animals in New York fall under two categories: big game such as deer and bear that are primarily harvested for their meat and furbearers (fox, coyote) that are harvested for their fur. Managed hunting seasons help control herd size which in turn reduces the spread of disease, crop damage and a multitude of other considerations. Go ahead and *sigh* one more time. Apparently the question isn't about the numerous benefits of controlled and managed hunting seasons either.
In my experience, most anti-hunters believe hunting is immoral but cannot tell you why. They will talk about killing deer as if 20 hunters walk up to a defenseless deer tied to tree and blast away. Oops, my mistake. That's how cows are slaughtered so you can eat your Whopper Jr; no onions. Deer have the advantage in the woods. It is their natural habitat.
Speaking of natural habitat... have you ever seen a deer chased by a pack of coyotes? It is not a pretty sight. They cull the herd, so to speak, by preying on the youngest, weakest and most vulnerable. It can take hours and the deer dies consumed by fright and terror before succumbing to their soft underbellies being torn open by wild animals. I can shoot one, unaware of my presence, that will die in a matter of seconds. Nature has much less regard for a clean kill than I.
Speaking of natural habitat....
Highly unlikely anyone will be giving up driving soon. In New York, in 2008, 223,000 deer were harvested by hunters. 80,000 were killed by cars. Have you ever hit a deer with a car? It is not a pretty sight for the deer or the car. Many times the deer will lie at the side of the road with broken limbs or spine and will not die immediately. Why is there no outrage over mean-spirited motor vehicle operators who drive in known deer habitat while eating Chicken McNuggets.
Speaking of which.... How do they get that breaded chicken breast into those snappy little containers? From the magic breaded chicken breast fairy? I do believe that one must kill a chicken in order to use the chicken breast, chicken wings, chicken legs and thighs.
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