It's that time of year again . . .

[Aaron]

That's a green potato, not an underdone one. You really should be more careful with how you treat Darles Chickens. :thumbs:

:thumbs::applause:

 

[Aaron]

Are there really folk who just shoot the critters, take a few pictures and leave the dead animal out in the woods? All the game animals in New York fall under two categories: big game such as deer and bear that are primarily harvested for their meat and furbearers (fox, coyote) that are harvested for their fur. Managed hunting seasons help control herd size which in turn reduces the spread of disease, crop damage and a multitude of other considerations. Go ahead and *sigh* one more time. Apparently the question isn't about the numerous benefits of controlled and managed hunting seasons either.

In my experience, most anti-hunters believe hunting is immoral but cannot tell you why. They will talk about killing deer as if 20 hunters walk up to a defenseless deer tied to tree and blast away. Oops, my mistake. That's how cows are slaughtered so you can eat your Whopper Jr; no onions. Deer have the advantage in the woods. It is their natural habitat.

Speaking of natural habitat... have you ever seen a deer chased by a pack of coyotes? It is not a pretty sight. They cull the herd, so to speak, by preying on the youngest, weakest and most vulnerable. It can take hours and the deer dies consumed by fright and terror before succumbing to their soft underbellies being torn open by wild animals. I can shoot one, unaware of my presence, that will die in a matter of seconds. Nature has much less regard for a clean kill than I.

Speaking of natural habitat....

Highly unlikely anyone will be giving up driving soon. In New York, in 2008, 223,000 deer were harvested by hunters. 80,000 were killed by cars. Have you ever hit a deer with a car? It is not a pretty sight for the deer or the car. Many times the deer will lie at the side of the road with broken limbs or spine and will not die immediately. Why is there no outrage over mean-spirited motor vehicle operators who drive in known deer habitat while eating Chicken McNuggets.

Speaking of which.... How do they get that breaded chicken breast into those snappy little containers? From the magic breaded chicken breast fairy? I do believe that one must kill a chicken in order to use the chicken breast, chicken wings, chicken legs and thighs.

Who on God's green earth are you arguing with? Are deer overpopulated? Kill 'em. Are they a pest? Kill 'em. Do you like venison? Kill and eat. I'm no bleeding heart Bambi lover.

But . . . yes, the vast majority of hunters who go into the woods at deer season do so for the kill, regardless of what they door with the carcass. Why else would someone take more than he can eat or store as was said of one's husband and son in this thread?

 

[Gina B]

Gina, I do have a brain to think with and mine does not agree with yours concerning this matter. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I rarely agree to disagree in matters that include the topic of the life of anything that contains blood.

I know you may not wish to, but I haven't yet seen you take a view that includes thoughts on the nature of God and His word and apply it to this topic. Of course, I may not have read this thoroughly, so please point it out if you did so already. If not, I'd like to see you take it on with that in mind please.

 

[webdog]

The hyperbole is unbecoming....

Genesis 27:2-7
2 And he said, Behold now, I am old, I know not the day of my death:
3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;
4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die.
5 And Rebekah heard when Isaac spake to Esau his son. And Esau went to the field to hunt for venison, and to bring it.
6 And Rebekah spake unto Jacob her son, saying, Behold, I heard thy father speak unto Esau thy brother, saying,
7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the LORD before my death.

Isaac asked Esau to go and hunt for venison. Why? Isaac longed for the savory meal his wife would prepare. Nothing noble. Just a desire of an old man for the smell of a favorite dish while it cooked. It has been that way for thousands of years. Game animals are hunted, in some cases, out of necessity. Some are hunted for pleasure - afield or at the table. What was the case for Isaac? He had a hankerin' for deer meat. Esau was ready to fulfill two joys - one to please his father and the other to enjoy the hunt. Maybe that is why God hates Esau! Perhaps God hates all Bambi killers.

Hunting puppies? Coyote, maybe.

Padre, that is how they got their food...hunting. They had no supermarkets. When I have a craving for a double cheeseburger, I let someone else kill the cow, and I go and buy one. There was no such luxury then.

 

[webdog]

So, no real scripture, just Bambi loving sentiment.

...and I can claim the "thrill of the hunt" is sin loving sentiment.

 

[tinytim]

Isn't the Spirit of God obvious enough? Is there not enough knowledge of God given to know that pleasure in death is not part of God's nature?

When the earth was created, Adam was admonished to CARE FOR IT, included the animals. Every creature was brought to Adam to be named. We are told that if we come across an animal in pain, even if we do not know who owns it, we are to help that animal.
Animals are given a day of rest...the same as we are. After the flood, God made a covenant with humans AND animals.

Common sense here...if God thinks enough of animals to do all this, to make provision for their care and treatment, can you not use the brain God put behind your face to figure out that taking a gun and causing an animal needless fear and pain for our own pleasure is not just pointless, but a slap in the face of that animal's creator?

If a man wants to show off his bravery and marksmanship, aim for the middle of the toilet bowl and don't miss. If you're a woman, try it standing. Other than that, go hunt a carrot in your garden and don't shoot animals unless you need them. When you do need them, thank God for them and do not cause them needless pain, fear, and/or suffering.

Nope.. not enough.. .scripture please!

 

[tinytim]

BTW. . I am with PETA


People
Eating
Tasty
Animals!!!

Animals have NO rights... But we are slowly becoming a feminized country that feels sorry for Bambi.

If I want to shoot Bambi, and no law is broken.. there is no scripture telling me not to...

We do have laws against shooting dogs.. but not deer.



Scripture stating that hunting for sport is wrong please? If you don't have any, all you have is your opinion.. which is just as good as mine.


Hey Padre, you should become a WV Baptist the WV Baptist Convention even has a Bow Hunter's retreat on our convention's official grounds.. "Parchment Valley in Ripley WV"... I would like for some of these Bambi lovers tell our whole convention we are sinners!... I'll try to find a link to the Bow hunt, and post it.

 

[tinytim]

...and I can claim the "thrill of the hunt" is sin loving sentiment.

YOu could, but you would have NO scripture to stand on...

Scripture please that condemns hunting?

 

[webdog]

BTW. . I am with PETA


People
Eating
Tasty
Animals!!!

Animals have NO rights... But we are slowly becoming a feminized country that feels sorry for Bambi.

If I want to shoot Bambi, and no law is broken.. there is no scripture telling me not to...

We do have laws against shooting dogs.. but not deer.
Hunters are not sinners no matter what the wimpy city folk say.

Scripture stating that hunting for sport is wrong please? If you don't have any, all you have is your opinion.. which is just as good as mine.

Tim, there is no law telling me it's wrong to cheat on my wife, but it is.

Also the argument from silence is invalid ("there is no Scripture telling me not to...")

I don't feel sorry for Bambi, I hate sin which caused death. To take pleasure in killing something...anything just for the fun of killing something is immoral and stems from the flesh, not the Spirit.

 

[tinytim]

OH, and what about coon hunting? Many good Christians here do that...

 

[webdog]

YOu could, but you would have NO scripture to stand on...

Scripture please that condemns hunting?

You really need Scripture to know it's wrong to take pleasure in death and killing for fun? Really?

Is it wrong for me to punish my son if he were to pull the legs off of insects and burn them with a magnifying glass?

 

[webdog]

OH, and what about coon hunting? Many good Christians here do that...

What about it? Is it done for the "thrill of the hunt"?

Let me ask you (not singular, all hunters) this...will there be hunting in Heaven, why or why not?

 

[tinytim]

When was the last time you heard of someone eating coon meat... of course it is done for fun. This is obviously something we are going to have to agree to disagree on.

Hunting is fun.. although I haven't done if for 15 yrs.. It is relaxing, it heightens the senses, it controls animal populations.. and since there is nothing against it in the Bible it can only be someone's opinion that it is wrong.

For those of you that don't like Hunting.. (killing animals with NO soul)...

How much do you pay to see Boxing on pay per view.. the beating up of people with a soul for sport...

And if I may, isn't any sport self gratifying? Why do we watch NFL.. or Play football.. Isn't it for self gratification... Do we pride ourselves when our cities win sporting competitions...

Isn't pride a sin...

YEP...

So don't sit behind your TV on a Sunday afternoon watching football while claiming that other sports are sins.... That is not very consistent...

BTW.. I hope the Bengals kick the Steeler's butts today! LOL

 

[sag38]

I rarely agree to disagree in matters that include the topic of the life of anything that contains blood.

Then you will just have to disagree away. Have fun!!!!

 

[abcgrad94]

God was the first one to kill an animal. He did so because Adam and Eve had sinned and were naked, and the animal skin was for their covering. So, the first animal to be slaughtered was not for meat consumption, but for clothing. Interesting. God also mandated the sacrifice of animals in the OT. It was a necessary evil to point to Christ's atonement for us.

I completely agree that the death of a defenseless animal shouldn't be the result of a sinful, barbaric thrill, but if it's wrong to kill deer, then it should also be wrong to kill a rat that gets in your house, or a snake that takes up residence in your basement or attic. You can't value the life of one animal over another and judge hunters while letting fisherman "off the hook."

 

[Revmitchell]

What about it? Is it done for the "thrill of the hunt"?

Let me ask you (not singular, all hunters) this...will there be hunting in Heaven, why or why not?

No need to confine your question to heaven as we will live on earth as much as heaven (Rev 21:1). It is unlikely that we will eat meat at all as it is likely to return to the days as they were before the fall. But whether heaven or earth that future has no impact on what we should do know with regards to hunting.

 

[tinytim]

God was the first one to kill an animal. He did so because Adam and Eve had sinned and were naked, and the animal skin was for their covering. So, the first animal to be slaughtered was not for meat consumption, but for clothing. Interesting. God also mandated the sacrifice of animals in the OT. It was a necessary evil to point to Christ's atonement for us.

I completely agree that the death of a defenseless animal shouldn't be the result of a sinful, barbaric thrill, but if it's wrong to kill deer, then it should also be wrong to kill a rat that gets in your house, or a snake that takes up residence in your basement or attic. You can't value the life of one animal over another and judge hunters while letting fisherman "off the hook."

This is one reason I hated it when my boys to watched Bambi, and had to de-install the animal rights junk that is prevalent in Bambi... In that movie, the hunters are the bad people while poor ole Bambi's mother gets it...

"mama... mama.... ".. Boo hoo... it's just a deer... I was yelling.. "don't let the buck get away!"

 

[Aaron]

BTW. . I am with PETA


People
Eating
Tasty
Animals!!!

Eating the animals isn't the question.

Animals have NO rights... But we are slowly becoming a feminized country that feels sorry for Bambi.

Pro 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

See here, 1. To how great a degree a good man will be merciful; he has not only a compassion for the human nature under its greatest abasements, but he regards even the life of his beast, not only because it is his servant, but because it is God’s creature, and in conformity to Providence, which preserves man and beast. The beasts that are under our care must be provided for, must have convenient food and rest, must in no case be abused or tyrannised over. Balaam was checked for beating his ass. The law took care for oxen. Those therefore are unrighteous men that are not just to the brute-creatures; those that are furious and barbarous to them evidence, and confirm in themselves, a habit of barbarity, and help to make the creation groan, Rom. 8:22. 2. To how great a degree a wicked man will be unmerciful; even his tender mercies are cruel; that natural compassion which is in him, as a man, is lost, and, by the power of corruption, is turned into hard-heartedness; even that which they will have to pass for compassion is really cruel, as Pilate’s resolution concerning Christ the innocent, I will chastise him and let him go. Their pretended kindnesses are only a cover for purposed cruelties. —Matthew Henry

If I want to shoot Bambi, and no law is broken.. there is no scripture telling me not to...

If you wish to shoot him for fun, see above.

Scripture stating that hunting for sport is wrong please? If you don't have any, all you have is your opinion.. which is just as good as mine.

Scripture says cruelty to animals is wrong. Those who are brutish enough to do it simply for sport—or, more accurately, for fun—are cruel.

 

[Aaron]

God was the first one to kill an animal. He did so because Adam and Eve had sinned and were naked, and the animal skin was for their covering. So, the first animal to be slaughtered was not for meat consumption, but for clothing. Interesting. God also mandated the sacrifice of animals in the OT. It was a necessary evil to point to Christ's atonement for us.

This isn't the question. Not even close.

I completely agree that the death of a defenseless animal shouldn't be the result of a sinful, barbaric thrill,

Good.

but if it's wrong to kill deer,

No one said it's wrong to kill a deer. Again, that's not the argument.

then it should also be wrong to kill a rat that gets in your house, or a snake that takes up residence in your basement or attic.

Since your if is completely irrelevant to the case, your then is too.

You can't value the life of one animal over another and judge hunters while letting fisherman "off the hook."

I've noticed something about you. You never simply deal with the topic, and you jump to conclusions about things to which people have never alluded.

 

[abcgrad94]

I've noticed something about you. You never simply deal with the topic, and you jump to conclusions about things to which people have never alluded.

I've noticed something about you, sir. You cannot seem to debate with others without displaying a judgemental attitude or resorting to personal attacks. If you will read my posts in this thread more carefully, perhaps you would see that I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU FOR ONCE about something, that is, that killing should not be a thrill. Good grief. Get over your personal prejudice towards me, ok?