Correct -- Christ did not have a "sin nature." Neither did Adam when He was created by God. Adam didn't have a human father or mother either (and probably not a belly button!). Does that mean Adam was not human?
To be "in the flesh" as a human does not necessitate that one has a sin nature -- if one does not become human through the normal course of conception by means of a human father and mother. Jesus was fully human, though He did not have a human Father. That was the miracle of the Virgin Birth. If Jesus "could not be fully human" because He did not have a human father, then the Virgin Birth was a colossal waste of God's time.
One errs when he/she assumes that God "cannot" become incarnate in the flesh as a human, "yet without sin." One must deny the kind of humiliation it was to become human. Paul points this out in Philippians 2:5-8 :
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
The "Hypostatic Union" was not deemed truth on the whim of a few ill-informed Early Church Fathers. It was not arrived at because a Pope or Patriarch thought it would make for good "mystery" to add to medieval liturgy. It was determined over 400 years of the study of Scripture, and the deliberations of many of the Early Church Fathers, and the saints of that age whose names and sacrifices we will not know on this side of heaven.
Please be aware that all of Church History testfies against any who hold that Jesus was not two natures (Human & Divine) in one Person -- The God/Man. The Scriptures and the Saints throughout history have affirmed this truth as essential to the faith -- there is no room to deny it as Fundamental to the Faith.
JDale
Jesus had a human nature?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salamander, Jul 15, 2008.
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Jesus was fully human with a human nature and fully God at the same time.
An important similarity between the first and second Adam was they both did not get sick. Jesus would have inherited some sicknesses, disease or mutation passed from his mother's sin nature if he had he been conceived using her seed.
Imho, the holy spirit overshadowed her so she conceived. She carried baby Jesus in her womb, she acted similar to an incubator. So the first and second Adam had much in common -
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The last verse uses the same word "parakaleo" which means to beg, to ask of.
The last verse says the people besought the Lord that He would depart out of their coasts.
It was not a telling the Lord what to do at all. -
(1) The demons "besought" Jesus to cast them into the swine
(2) The people "besought" Jesus to leave
Same "wave lengh" between the minds of those demons and the minds of those people there in Gadara???? -
Years ago I preached a message, "What Have We To Do With Thee?."
In it, I brought out this very passage in one of the points. These people had the very same mind as the devils that Christ had just cleansed the man of...
In essence, "What Have We To Do With Thee?" was the very cry from these people. "We aren't ready to turn from wickedness! We aren't ready to hear judgment! We are not ready to serve the Living God.
It is a picture of the world today, and even more than it was when I preached this message some 14 years ago. -
Also, assuming that Adam had something added to him after the Fall (other than a knowledge of good and evil) is just speculation. There is no passage that says that ever happened.
If Jesus couldn't sin then the whole bit about Him being sinless would just be a joke. He would apparently have had no choice, no free will, other than to be sinless. So, it would be no big deal to Him. He could just waltz through life untouched, and untouchable, the Teflon Messiah.
Seems like we are reading a bunch of stuff in that is not in the text just to make scripture match up with what we think we already know, IMHO. -
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We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners.
Christ was not born a sinner. He could not sin. He did not have a sin nature. -
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From this verse, it would appear Christ's flesh was not the same as ours... even though it was flesh. -
Matthew 25:35 NKJV
for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
Jesus "bore" our infirmities (sicknesses) as opposed to the Bible clearly stating Jesus was hungry, thirsty and weak. Meaning Jesus felt what it was like to be sick, yet never actually became sick imho.
Isaiah 53:4(KJV)
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Matthew 8:17(KJV)
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
( NIV translates the word "griefs" in Isiah 53:4 as infirmities. But I don't trust the NIV translation like I do the KJV so I chose the KJV passages which include the word infirmities)
God doesn't need Marys seed to conceive Jesus in her womb, he has created man and woman out of no seed (Adam and Eve) yet who knows how he did it.
We must remember Jesus is God. God in the flesh. God is limited by his own nature. He cannot sin.
Example: God cannot and does not lie because that would be sinning.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began.
Hebrews 6:18 it is impossible for God to lie.
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If we sin because we are sinners, Adam was created a sinner, and God's creation was flawed from the beginning. -
You still didn't answer, did Adam sin because he was a sinner? -
And yet, we do know the virgin Mary, who was of the earth, conceived 'that holy thing' in her womb and bare a son into the world as the prophet Isaiah foretold. But not just a son, but the Son of almighty God.
We do sin because we are sinners. Because of Adam's disobedience, the nature to sin was passed down to mankind. Man is born a sinner, and because of this, man sins. -
Did Adam sin because he was a sinner?
Jesus was fully God because God was/is His Father.
He was fully human because He was born of a woman.
His body was no different than ours.
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