Judge Roy Moore for Governor of Alabama

I have not said that voting for Moore was to take God's side. I did however ask for prayer for his election in the first post, not having any idea that there would be such hostility for him, especially from his own state.
I have said that taking the side of the ferderal judge is not taking GOd's side.
The ACLU is a Godless lawless bunch and when the courts side with them on matters like these they become just as lawless.

If that is true, then you can't determine that either. How has God told you who to vote for? God doesn't go on the six o' clock news and endorse "His" candidate. He has given us HIS word and told us to "but judge righteous judgment."

I would quite agree with that statement. Who said that disobeying a court oder qualified you for office?

With that line of logic, we shouldn't read the Bible either.
Not to mention the fact that main stream news "sways peoples minds" that is their job too.
The question is, are you going to be swayed by the unGodly propaganda of those who hate our Lord or are you going to be swayed by the results of your own study of BOTH sides of the matter.

Without reading his book, you have judged this man without giving him the opportunity to account for his actions.

 

And just because he stands for the sovereignty of God doesn't DISqualify his either.

Have you at least watched the cross examination videos?

I think the problem is here that a man has lost his job for his stand for Christ.
If other Christians follow, they might come into conflict as well.
It isn't enough to simply support a man like that, since no one is willing to support him, he has to be discredited so others don't look bad in running away and turning their back on principle.

 

I was planning on asking you this but you said it so you beat me to it.

That is the fundamental difference.

He did NOT sware to uphold court orders, he swore to uphold the constitution for Alabama and the US, that is the law.

Ok, so here is my question: If he was ordered to violate the constitution, which you don't think he was, and you are entitled to you opinion. But let say he was ordered to violate the constitution for either Alabama or the US constitution, both of which he swore to uphold, swore before God no less.
Since he did that and if he was ordered by a federal judge to do so, what is he to do?
Is he to violate his oath?

Again, I realize that you don't think he did have to go against his oath but what if he was ordered against his oath?

Please answer this honestly as it will help me understand you point of view.

If you believe that he must obey any and all orders of a federal court, which he would if he made that oath, then our difference will be quite clear.

Again, please quote me the actual LAW he broke. Not the court order but the law. The judges are bound by law just like everyone else. They do not have the right to just say whatever they please.

I do agree with you on this Ken. Overall I do not like the ACLU but they are on the right side of some cases, I am not sure they are there for the right reasons but I do agree with your statement.



PLease , Roger and others, if he is bound to uphold the court rulings AND the constitution, what is he to do if there is a conflict?
I know you think that there wasn't a conflict, (I do) but if there were, what would you have him do, what would you have him follow, the court or the constitution?

 

Yes but please answer my question, if there is a conflict, who is he to obey?
Put another way, what is the supreme authority, the constitution or the court?

There cannot be two heads. One has to be over the other.

rbell, that is a pretty decent opinion though I am not sure if I agree with it but I do in principle. Just because he is right in the Ten Commandemnts case doens't make him a good governor. I will agree to that.
I would not make a good governor and neither would over 99% of the population.

I personally think that he would but that is not the main point of disagreement.

The main thing is can a judge EVER disobey a court order, or another way, is a court order LAW?

 

If that is your true belief then you are certainly entitled to that. You are correct that I don't think that he did it for political gain because it cost him too much.
A high paying salary, retirement benefits and a lot of hassle. Just not something you do for political gain I wouldn't think.

But again, I wish someone would please answer my question, show me where I am wrong.
If there is a conflict between the Constitution, either state or federal, and the order of a judge, what is to be obeys, the constitution or the order?

No one has answered this yet in a clear manner.

 

Ahh...there we are, so what you are saying is that the law is whatever the judge SAYS the law is. Therefore the judge becomes the law and is the supreme. If he is supreme we have no law or rights and he becomes God.

Ok, I anticipate you won't like that answer so I will put it really easy for you.

For instance: A federal judge makes a ruling. In that ruling he says that Islam is the new state religion in the US (respecting the ESTABLISHMENT of a religion) and says that anyone who practices Christianity is breaking the law.

Ok, if a judge says that, according to what you have said in your last post, we must obey that. If a lower judge refuses to enforce it, he is wrong according to you.

Please tell me, what is the supreme law, the Constitution or the judge?

 

By the way, I hope everyone understands that I believe that any disobedience in this manner is a very serious thing and should never be taken lightly.

We do not have the right to pick and choose what we will obey based on what we feel like.

When a government official takes an oath, he is duty bound to keep that oath even if he is ordered to break it or if it is politically damaging to resist.

There were great consequences, I don't think he took this lightly.

Dale