Well of course he is a danger. What if he got out and didn't pay sales tax? :eek:
Kent Hovind Trial Nears End
Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Pipedude, Nov 1, 2006.
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Hovind has no Scriptural grounds to stand upon.
And don't you sit there and claim that I have "succumbed so far into state idolatry". You don't know me, and you clearly know nothing about me. I am talking about what Scripture teaches. I could care less what the government says or what you or Hovind say. The Word of God is very, very clear. We are to pay our taxes, Scripture gives us no "out" on this. If Hovind is refusing to do that he is in sin and he needs to repent.
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Rufus...
Let me type this slowly so you can get it.
Paul said in Romans 13:
1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.Click to expand...
21They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.Click to expand...
You said,am sick and tired of self-proclaimed Christians who have succumbed so far into state idolatry that they would prefer to defend the state, than they would a brother in Christ.Click to expand...
You're way, way too worked up about this. Many here would agree with you that our tax system needs help. I've stated that myself.
But Kent Hovind is guilty of not paying taxes. End of discussion. SHould he go to jail for 200+ years? Like I said, I think there's other punishment that fits. But it doesn't change his guilt.
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Hovind, in recnt years, had starting getting into some wacky stuff. He had good material regarding creation...even evolutionists, I think, would admit he could be persuasive and had done his homework.
But he got into some really strange conspiracy theory stuff in the last few years...the moon landing was a hoax, that the government is preparing to use UFO's as a cover for the rapture, our government knew in advance the details about Pearl Harbor and 9-11, and other nuggets:
"They [the New World Order] want to reduce the population [to 500 million] and their target date is May 5th of 2000"Click to expand... -
Kent Hovind was amazingly persuasive. I have seen his presentation (4 days) in person. And I thnk he knew that he was good at what he does. This was many years ago. But therein lies the problem, I think. He knew he was good at it.
Like all of us, he too, is prone to pride. And I think that in the end is what brought him down. I see this as possibly God's way of bringing Kent down so that all he can do is look up to God again rather than at himself.
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rbell said:Kent Hovind broke the law and rebelled against the authorities. He is guilty of that. Whether you appreciate our tax rate or not (I don't) is immaterial. God tells us to obey the law UNLESS it contradicts His law.Click to expand...
Accusing a Christian of idolatry is a serious charge. Unfounded, as well. I mean, we might not be defending him, but remember...he ain't defending himself! Furthermore...why should I defend a brother in Christ when he's clearly doing sinful stuff?Click to expand...
You're way, way too worked up about this. Many here would agree with you that our tax system needs help. I've stated that myself.Click to expand...
But Kent Hovind is guilty of not paying taxes.Click to expand...- 12 counts of willful failure to collect
- 45 counts of structuring transactions to avoid reporting requirements
- 1 count of instructing and impeding IRS investigations
In summary, they have found him guilty of 12 counts of not paying other peoples taxes and 45 counts of what is essentially a thought crime.
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rbell said:Hovind, in recnt years, had starting getting into some wacky stuff. He had good material regarding creation...even evolutionists, I think, would admit he could be persuasive and had done his homework.
But he got into some really strange conspiracy theory stuff in the last few years...the moon landing was a hoax, that the government is preparing to use UFO's as a cover for the rapture, our government knew in advance the details about Pearl Harbor and 9-11, and other nuggets:Click to expand... -
Rufus_1611 said:Very well. Are you a patriot? Would you say the same thing of tax protestors such as Patrick Henry or Samuel Adams? In fact, the entire American revolution was based on this issue. Thus, if you are willing to state that our American founders were wrong to rebel against the British Crown, then I accept your argument. However, if you celebrate the fourth of July and bash Hovind, then I would submit that your positions are inconsistent.Click to expand...
I noticed one thing in your reply: You completely ignored the mandates of scripture that Hovind is disobeying. Why won't you deal with that? The rest is just window dressing. Please explain why Hovind thinks it is OK to disobey Christ.
Rufus_1611 said:Our entire monetary system is a fraud. Our entire tax system is a fraud and we are participants in that fraud.Click to expand...
Rufus_1611 said:I wasn't aware of that rbell. Looks like there's 4 more things Kent is right about.Click to expand...
Watch out for those black helicopters, and be careful around the Illuminati. Don't get too close to the edge of the planet.
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rbell said:First of all, do you really think it was only about taxes? If so, you need a history refresher.Click to expand...
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rbell said:Hovind, in recnt years, had starting getting into some wacky stuff. He had good material regarding creation...even evolutionists, I think, would admit he could be persuasive and had done his homework.Click to expand...
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Even many creationists thought Hovind was a buffoon. Answers in Genesis thought he was sufficiently embarassing to publish a criticism of him.
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