Thanks for the good news. Be a big improvement if churches were forced to preach "Christ and him crucified" instead of politics and social garbage.
Legislation alert
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by stilllearning, Apr 29, 2009.
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Hello billwald
You said........
Acts 20:27
“For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.”
and also........
Romans 1:27
“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
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I love homosexuals; I love them so much, that I would be willing to tell them the truth about the destructive nature of sin.
This bill, is intended to stop me from warning them.
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Oh, by the way, a person may repent of his homosexuality, and still go to hell.
But the Bible says, that “calling sin, sin”, is needed, to bring people to Christ......
Romans 3:20
“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.”
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You also said........
But I don’t consider this good news. -
Oh btw, it's best to just ignore billwald...he's just a troll looking to get a rise out of people. -
Also, an elementary tenet of the Gospel is showing man's need for a Savior. Pointing out sin is indeed on the pastor's plate. Not legalism, but sin. I'm not sure why a pastor's pointing out sin is problematic for you...
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Billwald is a pastor!!!
I thought he was a soul searching for truth... hmmm... -
Three days ago, on April 27, I started a thread called Hate Crimes Bill on this very topic here:
http://baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=59152
I posted this:
One person I know had this assessment:
"Once it becomes law (and it will even if it isn't this time) pastors and other evangelical leaders could be charged and fined or imprisoned if they preach against homosexuality and something happens to a homosexual which could possibly be tied to what the pastor taught."
I asked if anyone knew if it had passed or had more info. There were only 5 comments.
The person starting this thread should have posted info on my thread and not started a new one. -
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This is from today's bulletin from Kerby Anderson:
A "hate crime" if it has the possibility of being able to be broadly interpreted, could be tied to speech, imo.
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Hello matt wade
You seem to have a little bit of “troll” in yourself.
You said.......
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Today(April 30, 2009), I had some extra time, and was watching c-span and listening to the legislators, as they were talking about this particular bill.
And they were saying, the “exact” same things that I have said about it. -
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Here we are, 100 days later, and they are still “Bush bashing”.
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My allegiance is to The LORD, and his Word, and not some political party.
Just because a particular political party is in support of a bill, is no reason to defend it. -
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Martin, would you not agree, however, that "hate crime legislation," in light of the points I brought up earlier (post 20 of this thread), is bad law?
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Posted by Jedi Knight on another thread:
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=30388&ref=BPNews-RSSFeed0429
Foes: Gay hate crimes bill could target churches
Posted on Apr 29, 2009 | by Tom Strode
WASHINGTON (BP)--Legislation to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals and transgendered individuals could severely restrict religious freedom, foes of the proposal said April 28 as they sought to rally opposition.
Members of the House of Representatives and leaders of evangelical Christian and conservative organizations, including the Southern Baptist Convention's ethics entity, warned about the bill's impact at a Capitol Hill news conference on the eve of the measure's consideration in the House. The Democratic leadership was expected to bring the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, H.R. 1913, to the House floor April 29.
The measure would add "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" to the current classes -- including race, religion and national origin -- protected from hate crimes. "Sexual orientation" includes homosexuality, while "gender identity," or transgendered status, takes in transsexuals and cross-dressers.
"This bill puts Christians and many other religious groups in the government's crosshairs," Barrett Duke said at the news conference. Duke is vice president for public policy and research of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.
"While we should never condone acts of violence against anyone, for whatever reason, including whether or not that person is a homosexual, this bill proposes to prosecute someone based on their belief about homosexuality and therefore makes religious belief a germane issue in this debate," Duke said. "Anyone who holds a religiously based belief about homosexuality is immediately suspect of engaging in a hate crime if a homosexual is involved, even if the person was unaware that the victim was a homosexual.
"Those who teach that homosexuality is contrary to God's design may find that they as well are targeted by this law," Duke said.
Current law, combined with the hate crimes measure, could cause problems for Christians and other religious adherents who believe homosexual behavior is a sin, said Rep. Louie Gohmert, R.-Texas.
"If you aid or counsel or induce someone to commit a crime, then you are just as guilty as the one who committed the crime" under existing law, said Gohmert, a member of a Southern Baptist church. "f you can say that someone's 'sexual orientation' is against Bible teaching or the teaching of the Tanach or the Koran, then you have just said that something is wrong, and if that stirs someone or induces someone to go out and commit an act of violence, which all of us are against, then just the inducement would be enough to go after a minister, a rabbi or an imam who says, for example, 'Homosexuality, under the teachings of the Bible, the Tanach, the Koran, it's wrong.'
"That could be argued to induce criminal conduct," Gohmert said at the news conference. "And that would allow pastors to be arrested for saying things are wrong.
"It would not take too many arrests to have an extraordinary, chilling effect on some religious teachings with regard to homosexuality." -
It won't be to long before they be round us up and killing Christians
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One bright spot in this, is the fact that this bill is clearly “unconstitutional”, therefore if it does pass the Senate, and is signed into law, it will probably be tied up in court, for a few years, and end up going to the Supreme court.
But now I hear, that our president has his first chance to appoint a new judge, to the Supreme court.
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Here is a suggestion meant to further your "learning": When I said "this isn't true", I was talking about the legislation and your mistaken opinion. It is not true that the legislation is going to make it illegal to say homosexuality is wrong. And even if it would, so what? People in the Bible gave their LIVES and you're going to complain about being arrested? -
By the way, if this bill is meant to punish violent acts against a certain group wouldn't it follow that it applies to violence against Christians too?:BangHead: -
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