Christ bears one's sins so the sinner who accepts that gift does not receive the death of both the body and soul. How is that not a penal substitution?
Lewis on Atonement theories
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, May 12, 2022.
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Do you believe that God transferred our sins from us and laid them on Christ?
Do you believe that God condemned our sin in Christ so that He could forgive the wicked?
I ask because those are examples of teachings that are in opposition to what is written in the text of Scripture (you would have to believe Scripture means something OTHER THAN "what is written" to accept those things as true). -
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I do not have to understand why or how sins cannot be transferred from one to another on order to accept Scripture stating that they cannot.
I don't have to understand why or how God determined that it is evil to punish the just to acquit the guilty in order to accept that passages stating it is evil is true. -
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I will just say that I do not care about your (Mormons, SDA, JW, or anybody's) opinions regarding what the Bible teaches.
I care about what is written. What did God actually say? That's what is important.
And you cannot provide any passages supporting your faith because no passage exists. -
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I do believe God's wrath is against wickedness. God's wrath will be poured out on the wicked.
But I do not accept your extra-biblical ideas (those things you say but cannot provide a single passage that says it). -
1. You say I do not believe what Is written in the Bible BUT you cannot provide a single passage I do not believe.
2. You say your theory is written throughout all of Scripture BUT you cannot provide a single passage stating what you believe.
Do you not find that just a little odd? -
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I do not find it odd at all. For most of my life I also read that into the text as something taught. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
Both the texts you reference say that we are saved by grace. Am I overlookig something in your argument.
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