Featured Lewis on Atonement theories

That is correct, you accept the gift by faith and you reject the gift by lack of faith. Faith is not a work, it is the condition.

 

Only because of the Devil and his angels for whom Christ did not die for. Matthew 25:41, Hebrews 2:14. There was no fire on the cross.

 

Not as for salvation. The salvation is the gift through faith, faith is not as the gift in that matter. God through His creation gives everyone faith, Romans 10:17-18. Faith is essential to knowing anything. No one can actually know what one does not believe.

 

Romans 10:17-18 does not teach that everyone has faith at creation. In fact it teaches the opposite in verse 17.

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.”

How can a spiritually dead person hear if God has not first made them alive?

 

What you teach here is salvation by merited action of the will.
Moreso, you teach loss of salvation by merited rejection by the will.
In your version, God is not even needed.

 

Well since God requires that we believe before we are saved then it seems that you are the one that has a problem with the bible.
It is your theology that has turned faith into a work. You claim that you trust what the bible says and yet you reject scripture.

Your standard response is that everyone is wrong except you but what you say really carries no weight with me. I will trust the bible over your errant theology. We have gone over these points many times and you still come up with the same tired comments.

You keep trying to prove the bible is wrong and that your theology is right. Why you hold to that lost cause I can not understand but it is the hill you have decided to die upon. So be it.

 

"salvation is the gift through faith" is that not what I said?

 

This is your requirement.
What happens, according to the scripture, is God quickens (makes us alive) and gives us the gift of faith to believe. We believe.

God is the cause agent, Silverhair, not you.

 

So you not only deny epistemology, you deny creation is God's word verse 18.

 

You need to read your bible and trust it and not your man-made theology. By your view those that God does not make alive and give faith to so they can believe really do have a valid complaint against God. They are in hell because He did not do for them what He needed to do so they could be saved.

You have just made God the one responsible for all those in hell, they are there not because of their sin but because He chose to send them there. That is not the God of the bible but rather one of your own making.

 

I trust the Bible entirely and daily read it. I find your teaching to be humanistic at best and hellish at its worst. You make salvation a man accomplished work of the will.

 

It looks like you need to get a better bible, yours seems to be missing some verses.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

There are two conditional clauses here in vs 9
if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord
and
if believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead
then you will be saved
The person may or may not complete the action in question.
We are given the means in vs 10
with the heart a person believes, resulting in justification
with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

You deny clear scripture and then make foolish comments. The fact you deny faith before salvation just shows how little you know of or trust the bible.

 

I got it. No one who is not quickened by God ever confesses. No one. But, you reject the scripture that informs you of this truth

 

Confession with the mouth is a work.

 

Do you actually read anything or do you just react? You do not even make any sense with what you write.

 

So you do not believe what the bible says we are to do?

 

It always amazes me that some people struggle so hard with accepting what the bible says. The bible is clear that faith is not a work yet we still have that canard brought up all the time.
Rom 4:5 But to him who does not work
but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly,
his faith is accounted for righteousness,

I do not know how much clearer Paul could have said it. Faith is the anti-work or the antithesis of works.

 

That you cannot grasp simple truth is no surprise to me.
You quote Romans 10 with no seeming grasp of the whole of scripture. This leads you to terrible interpretations that feed your humanist view of salvation where man's work is needed, but God isn't needed.
Perhaps you should read the entire Bible and pray God opens your eyes.

 

That promise in Romans 10:9 is true. But if that work is a requirement then that verse becomes essential in order to be saved. There is nowhere else in the whole Bible to give that requirement if that work is a requirement. You can throw out all other salvation Scriptures which do not give that work as a requirement!