Ok, again you misrepresent things. We are seeing a pattern here. I did not call you evil.
Lordship Salvation Defended
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Jan 11, 2015.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
it is easier than working through all the related passages:thumbs: -
Salvation in Christianity is a free gift. It is by grace through faith, and not of works, including the above works. -
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26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. -
The truth in the Bible is that jesus is the Lord over all persons, saved and lost, and that you are confusing how one gets saved and how one then starts to become a disciple of his!
In your understanding, just when and how a sinner becomes a saint then? -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The fact is you cannot. -
Scripture reveals the sins of King David but Scripture also reveals his earnest desire for God.
Psalms 42:1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. -
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The Scripture quoted deals with discipleship (as stated now many times), not salvation. No new believer, at least in this nation, immediately forsakes all that he has at the time of salvation.
Let me ask you. Have you forsaken ALL that you have, ever in your life, in order to follow Christ? -
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On what basis does the Lord forgive our sins, and save is, due to Him knowing and seeing how obedient that we will continue to be for Him, or due to Him deciding to save sinners period, and giving them eternal life knowing full well that they will never obtain sinless perfection while alive?
And just how much sinning and for how long negates and cancels out the shed blood of christ then? -
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http://www.gty.org/resources/articles/A114/An-Introduction-to-Lordship-Salvation -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It is those who oppose Lordship who invite their false converts to walk the aisle a second time, telling them...you have him as savior, now make him lord.
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here was the original 4 questions...answer them please, then go through the 9 pts offered and answer each one please:thumbs:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
which sins were you able to keep since professing your faith in Christ ?
which sins did you not have to repent of ?
what sins were you able to continue to practice
which sins are you able to continue in in order that grace can much more abound -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterYeshua1 said: ↑Bottom line here on this!
On what basis does the Lord forgive our sins, and save is, due to Him knowing and seeing how obedient that we will continue to be for Him, or due to Him deciding to save sinners period, and giving them eternal life knowing full well that they will never obtain sinless perfection while alive?
And just how much sinning and for how long negates and cancels out the shed blood of christ then?Click to expand...
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