Does anything ever happen though that is outside the will /control of God?
Lost by God's Will?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Pastor_Bob, Apr 29, 2019.
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Emril Legasse gets it....
Poor stupid non-Calvinist...
Yes...if you don't embrace
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You won't get it.. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
not restricting it.
Seriously.
It is.... you don't know that, because you haven't been taught proper exegesis, but Paul's argument doesn't begin in chapter 9...
Start at chapter 5 and follow Paul's argument through to chapter 11.
Then, you'll get it.
Non-Calvinists aren't afraid of chapter 9.
We just know that Paul's argument starts in 5 and follows through to 11....and we know Calvinists don't know that, so it's worthless to engage them on chapter 9 because only Calvinists think the thought process begins there....
That's why non-Cals don't like a "Romans 9" debate...
It's because Paul began the letter at chapter 1....not 9
Every Theological system on the planet knows chapter 9 is in the middle of a MUCH broader argument.
Empty your mind of presuppositions and read it again.
Set aside about 3 hrs....and just empty your mind and let the Scritpture speak for itself, and let Paul use his own voice.... read from chapter 1 through to the end...
then try narrowing it to chapters 5-11 and follow his train of thought.
If you did that....
You'd abandon Calvinism wholesale.
Because, you'd realize that Calvinists have missed even the most BASIC thrust of the whole argument and teach the precise OPPOSITE of what Paul is trying to convey.
Once again...
He's actually BROADENING the scope of election, not NARROWING it...
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Not really.
None that anyone with genuine credentials respects and will verify.
That's why peer review exists.
Cultic translators will never survive genuine peer review. -
No thing happens that God does not allow -
The "Elect" in scripture are those who are already saved and chosen for a Godly service.
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I don't/cant think like God.
I'll ask when face to face and if I understand then I'll look you up,
if it will even matter then. -
Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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You talk a big talk but you are still ignoring the reality of the passage. -
Look Brethren, when we have a question that seems an illogical fit to someone's position, it is not necessarily a "GOTCHA".
God delights in being so VERY ILLUSIVE.
I like this hymn:
Farther along we’ll know more about it,
Farther along we’ll understand why;
Cheer up, my brother, live in the sunshine,
We’ll understand it all by and by.
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Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
This is the biggest reason I am a Mugwump, we weren't there at the counsel. -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Pastor_Bob,
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Do not speak so harshly to ITL. He is participating. -
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