Martin Luther was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as the result of him giving his life to Christ. And thus Luther was error free in every religious doctrine that he held and that he had in the Lutheran Church.
Luther Was Error Free In Every Religious Doctrine
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by John Yurich, May 24, 2017.
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John Yurich Member
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Being "under the guidance of the Holy Spirit" makes us error free?
The Spirit offers guidance - but the body still holds the reins.
I can guarantee that Luther would disagree with your statement.
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Wrong, as THAT ended when Apostle John passed away!
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John Yurich MemberWrong. Everybody who gives their life to Christ is under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and thus error free in terms of the religious doctrines that they hold to.
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...and I disagree.
What do you do with that?
Is one of us not "under the guidance"?
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Only one who is an Apostle of Christ can claim that, and Luther was not one of them!
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By observation we see faithful believers with opposing doctrines.
By simple deduction we can presume that being lead by the Holy Spirit doesn't mean we will always have correct doctrine.
So what does the Spirit-filled life look like?
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Is this something you read in the Babylon Bee???
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Bro. James Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Martin Luther was a defrocked Roman Catholic Priest. He was a pedobaptist when excommunicated and remained so until death. His progeny still follow his errors of soteriology. Most so-called reformers of Rome have the same error. This is another gospel which is not another. Apostle Paul said such is anathema. It does not get more serious.
Salvation by works and infant baptism are still fatal errors.
Time to repent and get right with God.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterI will remind you that Jim Jones & David Koresch thought they were under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and thus error free.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterActually Martin Luther did not believe in salvation by works....His theology was of salvation by faith rather than good works, which undermined the authority of the clergy in northern Germany. That salvation by works thing was the invention of Melanchthon who brought it back later on.
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Well then, we have a problem. I disagree with Luther in a couple minor areas of doctrine. By your above definition, big Luther and myself are perfect. Were both perfect and we disagree.
Only Jesus Christ was perfect. The authors of The Bible penned perfect Word of God, but they were far from perfect.
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So what does a Spirit-guided life look like?
It is living a life that looks like Jesus
Loving the unlovely, caring for the poor and needy, mourning with those who mourn, weeping with those who weep.
It is displayed by our actions.
A Spirit-guided life is observed by those around us.
It transcends our petty doctrinal differences and encompaces those that have differing opinions.
It is a Christian walk lead by love for others
This, I think is something I believe Luther would agree with
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Haaaaaaaaa! That's funny. Luther was a renegade priest who didn't like the limits imposed upon him by the established Western Rite Church and proceeded to tear the whole thing asunder. From tearing out the parts of Scripture that did not fit his new ideas, Luther set in motion the beginnings of hate and destruction and maybe the Holy Spirit was with him for awhile, but at some point the evil one used things to his advantage.
Luther's only saving grace was that he still believed in the real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist and honored the Blessed Mother in the orthodox way. -
John Yurich MemberJones was an atheist. So there is no way Jones thought he was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as he denied that God exists and thus denied the Holy Spirit.
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John Yurich MemberNo I am not worshiping a doctrine of man. I am Born Again as the result of having given my life to Christ during an Altar Call some 20 years ago.
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Actually I think Luther was right, for the most part. What he believed about baptism was right on:
"Martin Luther urged, in opposition to the standard practice of pouring, that baptism should be by immersion. He pointed out that the word in the Greek language (original writings) means 'To plunge something entirely into the water, so that the water closes over it,' and urged that immersion should be the mode of baptism."
A Compend of Luther's Theology, p. 167, via Handbook of Religious Quotations, p. 11.
In other words, Martin Luther was 100% correct when he said that baptism means 'To plunge something entirely into the water, so that the water closes over it.' All Bible dictionaries define the word "baptizo" as immerse, dip, or plunge and never use another term in reference to baptism. -
I'm curious, do you believe Luther was correct in his belief in the Real Presence of Jesus in Holy Communion? Also, even Lutherans are at odds with each other over the interpretations of The Book of Concord.
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Luther believed in Baptismal Regeneration, do you agree with that?
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No.
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