Normally deferent eschatological views are regarded on an equal basis.
The nature truth only one view can be true or all the views can be false either on the whole or in some parts.
Preterist views are all make believe.
Have you come to an orthodox Preterist view. The orthodoxy is what is not the make believe.
Make believe Eschatology
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by 37818, Nov 24, 2021.
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Full Preterism is heresy as the second advent has not occurred yet. But Partial Preterism is very much orthodox. It is the only view that makes perfect sense of the Olivet Discourse. :)
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Any eschatological view that does not align with the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus in the gospels is false. Most read right over it not discerning its presence. Still looking along with the Pharisees for their physical Millennial kingdom of the future.
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Here's an example of radical eisegesis leading to false eschatology.
First, here’s the problem based on a Hal Lindsey Quote.
It shows how Dispensationalists take liberties with the Bible cutting and pasting text from all over the place to harmonize their scheme with today’s headline news.
Says Lindsey; "The prophecies can be pieced together to make a coherent picture, even though the pieces are scattered in small bits throughout the Old and New Testaments.
Hal Lindsey," 'The Late Great Planet Earth' 1970 (Chapter 4) *Paradigms of Paranoia: The Culture of Conspiracy By Samuel Chase Coale
Says Irenaeus about the same heretics of old; "Then, again, collecting a set of expressions and names scattered here and there [in Scripture], they twist them, as we have already said, from a natural to a non-natural sense." Irenaeus, Heresies, I.IX.4 Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies / Adversus Haereses, Book 1 (Roberts-Donaldson translation) -
From the time I was saved in 1978 until the about 1991, I wasn't even aware there were any other "end times" views. I didn't know what eschatology was - heck, I had never come across that word. I'd always looked for the Rapture to be around 1988 (40 years after Israel became a nation). When that "prophecy" failed, my doubts about this view began. Okay, so maybe the Rapture would happen around 2007 (40 years after the 6 Day War). When this too failed to happen, I was convinced that there must be another answer.
I finally found that answer in the Preterist view. I had never heard of the Jewish Wars, nor of the AD 70 Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Having realized my "end times" views were wrong, I learned to study Scripture from a different context. What was the author trying to say? How did the original audience understand his message? Eureka!!! It was as if I was reading prophecies for the first time. I had to "un-learn" the "make believe" eschatological views that have invaded our culture. If you will pardon the pun, those "futurist" views are now "Left Behind" :). -
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V. 7-8 shows this kingdom will be on earth. -
So, if the trib has already occurred, Jesus is 'WAY overdue! No two ways about it! -
With an understanding of Matthew 24:29-31 being the second appearing of Christ (Hebrews 9:28, there can only be one second appearing) and the rapture being referred to in Matthew 24:31 sets forth a post-trib view, ". . . Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -
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The "cosmic language" prophecy was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem. Those who look for a future fulfillment of prophecies where Jesus used symbolic language, and then point your finger at Preterists when we provide the Biblical answer. Remember the old adage about pointing your finger - three more are pointing back at you. -
Finally, what is this "gathering together of the elect"? Ken Gentry (author of "Before Jerusalem Fell") says it is the “poetic imagery: the destruction of the temple trumpets in the ultimate Jubilee Year.” Gentry connects it with the demise of the temple and the Jewish-focused, typologically based blessings which God opens to the world in the forgiveness of man’s ultimate debt before God. In full disclosure, I am not positive about Gentry's interpretation. However, I am positive that all the prophecies of the Olivet Discourse came to pass between AD 66-70. -
Hmm .... I have sought the Holy Spirit’s guidance on this and I simply do not agree. 1947 is part of the prophesy regarding the regathering of Israel. I mean that was literally a world-wide event we’re going to disregard and instead claim the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem was it?
Again, I ask, what has been happening the last 1900 years, then?
Does God have a timeline? Does He want us to learn it?
Did God place the stars in their position? Does He want us to use them to mark sign & (or) season?
I can agree that discerning the symbolic from the literal is the key, but I think this is where the Proverbs 25 “glory to God in concealing a matter ... glory of kings to seek it” is. Relevant. -
Phony as a Ford Corvette but very addictive to the carnal mind. -
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How does a Baptist believe Dan 9:25 is history as of 70AD?
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