Hi all,
I was listening to Bob Dutko the other day and he had a guy on that wrote a book concerning men and church. He was stating that church was too oriented towards women. He said that the music and holding hands and getting in circles and bringing up our concerns before each other, kept men away from church. He gave a few examples of how making classes and worship service more masculine helped to attract men.
My question is, "Isn't making church more manly the same as the seeker sensitive stuff we've seen before. Isn't this just an attempt to make church fit the world?" I feel that if men aren't saved, they won't want to be in church. A truly saved man will want to be in church and help to influence the body of Christ. He will be salt and light and be an example to what a man of God is. This will attract other men of God and build the church. Yes we do have a problem with few men in church today as this author states, but it isn't because the church as pushed them away, it's because their hearts aren't right with God, IMO. How do you all feel about this?:wavey:
Men and church
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by SolaSaint, Feb 13, 2010.
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I am a full blown 100% man and I think that "music and holding hands and getting in circles and bringing up our concerns before each other" are all wonderful things to do. -
I have no problem with music since my ministry in the church is singing, but I do have a problem with all the other personal stuff.
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and here is the web for WMUZ
then click on hosts, then click on Bob; for his bio -
Seeker Sensitive means:
* Doing services in English because the predominant language is English.
* Having air conditioning and/or heat because that is what we are accustomed to.
* Having an Elevator in the church because the old people have difficulty walking upstairs.
* Taking up an offering in a basket instead of a plate for who knows what reason. Or taking an offering in a box outside. Or at the front of the sanctuary.
* expecting the pastor to wear a suit coat and tie.
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Both Bob Dutko links are the same...the radio station.
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...But fortunetly there is "Google"....:thumbs:
http://toptenproofs.com/aboutbob.php
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
However, as to the holding hands, getting in circles and confiding in each other, well, I'm 100% man also, and it totally turns me off.
If I have some concerns that I want others to join in prayer with me, I'll recruit my own "team".
I despise it when the pastor will want the congregation to "--break up into groups of 4 or 5, and each pray for these concerns we have talked about." Thankfully this happens only rarely at Wed night service, but if it were routine, I'd be conspicuous by my absence
I am not one to pray in public, IF the prayer is to be genuine. -
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Prayer circles are just wonderful. :thumbs:
Nobody is obligated to share anything verbally if they dont want to. Only the ones who WANT to share...share.
The ones who had no prayer concerns pray for the ones who did. And usually there is a prayer for all "unspoken" concerns that anyone might have. Sometimes some spontaneous worship and praise will occur.
Its a beautiful thing. :1_grouphug:
There is nothing to fear at all concerning christian prayer circles.
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ive never gone down to the altar to pray at my new church, nor have i volunteered to pray for a specific group. I am not a man, and the men have pray meetings before church, but i too believe that unless you are genuinely moved, i pray alone with God, not out in front of people
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It's hard for me to be moved on command. :laugh: OK, it's time to pray, let's go! I just can't do it. Sorry.
I have had some powerful prayer times and I believe it was because God moved me. Which makes sense, since we are to align our wills to God, not His will to ours. -
There needs to be a cry out against effiminancy, but it is a shame when it has to begin with the women crying out against it first! I don't hold other men'shands unless they're dying. So far that hasn't happened
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While I agree that some of the reasons in the book are just excuses, the book did help me to see the point of view of someone who has NOT been raised in church, who has not seen manhood modeled in a godly way. It's up to the Christian men to reach out and mentor them, and sadly, there doesn't seem to be much of that going on. If it were happening, I think the majority of the men interviewed for the book would feel differently about church in general. -
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Paul Wassona...
If someone is invited to be part of a prayer circle, and yet they are concerned about the sex of the hand they are joining in prayer with....:confused:
Wow. Just wow. I'm saddened by that. -
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