Only if you want to be an ignorant person completely out of touch with reality.
Monday marks 50th anniversary of Loving decision on interracial marriage
Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Crabtownboy, Jun 11, 2017.
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I made a statement of fact. If you can prove it wrong, do so. -
I stated that there is no constitutional "right' to marriage. You agreed.
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If you don't believe that a state should be able to ban interracial marriage, then how should the issue have been resolved? -
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To me, if you won't accept a 14th Amendment argument, then Article IV Section 1 should be considered.
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Upon reflection, I think I was a bit too terse in my comment below. I meant to look at the matter as a case of contract law. Where a contract valid in one state is, on the whole, to be considered valid in others.
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I apologize for not responding earlier, but work, travel, family and other real world concerns has kept me preoccupied with other things.
Let's refresh our memory of the 14th Amendment:
AMENDMENT XIV - Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
The most important part of this Amendment is Section 1, although Section 5 also generally applies.
All persons born in the United States (or properly naturalized) are both federal and state citizens. "No State" can deny a citizen the privileges, liberties, or equal protection under the law. Therefore, laws that use ethnicity ("race") as a basis to restrict marriage fail to provide equal protection under the law.
The Supreme Court exists to interpret the Constitution and enforce its provisions and protections. That's the law, not what you are asserting.
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These were some very cogent remarks.
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The court continues to ignore section 5 as they twist and turn the 14th to say whatever they want it to say and then expect enforcement of their twisted decisions, usurping the role given to Congress by the very law they quote.
Thanks to their judicial legislating, women can kill their babies by the millions. The list goes on.
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In any case, it matters because the Constitution matters. The Constitution embodies the basic principles of the United States and recognizes the God-given rights of humanity, prohibiting the government or other persons in authority/power from infringing upon those God-given rights. If those rights are violated, the justice system (represented by the courts and law enforcement agencies) will seek to right the wrongs.
Denial of the right to marry based on ethnicity ("race") is a moral evil. Do you agree?
The reason I ask the question is that you have been making the arguments that someone who opposes Loving v. Virginia would make. I want to give you every opportunity to make you position clear.
Blaming the 14th Amendment for abortion is like blaming a murder on a gun.
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I've also noticed that you have refused to answer my question about whether or not it is morally evil to deny someone the right to marry based upon their ethnicity ("race"). That is quite telling.
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What was insulting in BB's posts 31 and 34 in this thread?
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Guarantees you can resist making some kind of snarky comment.
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I have noticed that you cannot bring yourself to say that preventing "interracial" marriage is wrong.
I suspect that it is a problem for you. Prove me wrong by affirming "interracial" marriage. -
it simply doesn't matter.
You're like any liberal that wants to play the race card. You want this to be all about race. To me, It's not.
It's about marriage and there is no "right" to marry in the constitution, no matter what your skin color. I've said this before. You simply choose to ignore it in your zeal to brand me a racist. That seems to be all you really care about.
The Supreme Court used the 14th amendment to affirm a right that just doesn't exist in the constitution. One of many they have twisted the 14th to invent.
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