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More about eschatology and preterism...

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by robycop3, Oct 15, 2017.

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    For got to include an idea of the size of Ezekiel's temple.

    Next time you do a bit of in-town driving, a landmark, travel slightly over eight tenths of a mile from the landmark. That is about the length of one wall. It is perfectly square.

    If you have ever been to the statue of liberty (or seen a picture), the height of one pillar is almost that height.

    There is furniture in the other temples that are not part of this millennial temple. I can't tell if the furniture is part of it during the tribulation and then removed or not, just unable to find Scriptures that clarify the furniture is there. Not a big deal other than the imagery.
     
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    And to abide by Jewish law, Tools can't be used on site. So how long do you think this will take to be built? It took 40 years for the second temple to be built.
     
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    Not certain where you get the idea that modern tools cannot be used, just as in any former temple the modern tools of that day were used. I just don't see such in either Scriptures or traditions of the Jews.

    Time of construction is relative to materials, techniques, availability of labor, and methods.
    How long did it take to construct the replacement for the world trade center? Not long in comparison to the first.
     
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    No, it DIDN'T.

    NO evil "prince" stood in the temple & declared himself to be God, nor did anyone set up a statue in the temple & supernaturally make it speak.
     
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    Please name another "the holy place" of those times & place.
     
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    No, the AOD will be when the "man of sin" enters the temple with his deputy the false prophet, sets up his stayue in it, & declares himself to be Gos while the FP supernaturally makes the statue speak, & commands everyone to worship his boss & his boss' speaking statue.
     
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    Antiochus Epiphanes was NOT the "man of sin", as both jesus and paul indicated he hadn't yet come. But I DO believe he was a forerunner of the destruction that was to come upon Jerusalem and the temple. I believe the events of 55-70 AD were the accomplishment of the "days of vengeance" upon the Jews of jesus' generation, whom He held responsible for the murders of ALL righteous people up til that time, beginning with Abel, who lived & was murdered before any Jew existed.

    And we know a MUCH-GREATER punishment befell the Jews a coupla generations later when Hadrian expelled them from their land, a punishment that lasted til the nazis fell in 1945.

    And I don't care if anyone is a "dispy" or not because it's very-obvious that God dealt with people during the Old Covenent differently than he does since Jesus instituted the New Covenant. Those are two different "dispensations"

    But one common thread of both dispies is God requires BELIEF, FAITH, WORSHIP, AND OBEDIENCE. And God is NOT thru with Israel, His "peculiar" people!

    Psalm 135:4 For the Lord has chosen Jacob for Himself,Israel for His special treasure.
     
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    Paul was killed by nero no earlier that 67 AD.
     
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    Jerusalem was at least partially rebuilt shortly after the Romans sacked it. And the only temples mentioned in the Rev are the one in the vision John was told to measure, and the temple in heaven. Neither, of course, were in Jerusalem, at least at that time.
     
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    In 2 Thess. 2, Paul also warns against believing anyone who says Jesus had already returned, reminding them that the "man of sin" must come first. And Jesus Himself, in the Olivet Discourse, warned against believing anyone who says He would return quietly or in secret, saying His return would be visible and obvious as lightning.

    As for the temple in the revelation, why would John have been told to measure an already-existing temple, whose measurements were well-known to the Jews? And we can imply in the context of his instructions to not measure the courtyard that this was to be a future temple.
     
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    Well, the Dome didn't then exist, but it does NOW, so it MUST be considered!

    And also, some scholars from Hebrew University illegally, but successfully, explored under the Dome & several nearby areas, and have determined that the actual temple site was NOT where the Dome now sits, but BESIDE it. However, no Moslem would sit still now if a Jewish temple were to be erected beside their shrine!

    However, the coming man of sin may broker a settlement to permit such a building, or the Dome might be destroyed by some over-zealous Moslem extremist group. (I believe Taliban ot ISIS could be capable of that.)

    Also, there's nothing in the histories of the previous temples to suggest they enclosed the rock Jacob supposedly used as a pillow after his rassling match.
     
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    The author, Oral E, Collins, is part of a fairly-new offshoot of Presbyterianism called "ECO"
    (Evangelical Covenant Order). I wouldn't put much stock in it without fully knowing the ECO beliefs.

    And obviously, no HUMAN could be such a let/hindrance, any more than any person coulda prevented Jesus' birth.
     
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    There's not a verse in the Bible saying Jerusalem would be rebuilt after its destruction Jesus prophesied. BUT IT OBVIOUSLY WAS REBUILT! Jesus even mentioned it in further prophecy.

    Same for the temple. Obviously, the AOD didn't occur in Herod's temple, so it will hafta occur in a future one.
     
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    Ask any elderly Christian if he/she believed in his/her youth that the Jews would have a sovereign nation again. God's will is accomplished no matter what mankind does.
     
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    People are forgetting how close Hitler came to being that "man of sin". I believe God allowed Satan to use him as a "dorerunner". Had Hitler done just one or two things differently, he woulda conquered all of Europe & Asia!

    There are several things that woulda led to victory for Hitler:

    Taking Dinkirk quickly as possible & forcing the BEF to surrender

    Giving Rommel enough resources to conquer Egypt & the Suez Canal

    Forcing Britain outta the war, THEN invading the USSR with his full military resources

    Taking the Bosporus/Dardanelles

    Quickly linking up with Japan

    Praise the Lord that He caused Hitler's guiding demon to leave him as France fell! However, that won't happen with the coming "man of sin". Satan himself will indwell him, and no man will be able defeat him in war. Just as Hitler came from nowhere to do what he did, this man will similarly be a nobody who quickly gains power & will make Hitler seem like a naughty toddler in comparison.
     
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    Exactly right, and those Scriptures have been fulfilled LITERALLY, EXACTLY TO THE LETTER so far, and the rest, including the eschatological events, will be fulfilled just-as-literally and exactly.
     
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    Since you say it's already happened, please tell us, WHO WAS THE "BEAST? wHO WAS HIS FALSE PROPHET?

    What did the mark of the beast look like, & what did it do? Who issued it?

    When was all life in the seas killed?

    When was all green grass burned up?
     
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    While the coming Jewish temple won't actually be a temple of GOD, as JESUS is left outta the equation, it'll be viewed as such by all Jews and most other people as well.
     
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    You also don't see a prophecy that Jerusalem would be rebuilt after Jesus prophesied its destruction, which was accomplished, but it OBVIOUSLY WAS!
     
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    The previous tools were built with the most-modern tools available.

    And the coming temple is pre-fabbed. I've read the Jews have all the materials ready, and they obviously have a "blueprint".
     
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