NT six literal days

Hope of Glory · Jun 11, 2007

DHK said:

Thus your argument about God creating an incomplete or imperfect creation holds no water.
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Umm...

That's not my argument, that's your argument. I've stated explicitly that he did not create it imperfectly. You're the one who said that the "waw" is conjuntive, therefore it was created "waste and void", which goes contrary to the Scriptures that state he created it not that way.

DHK · Jun 11, 2007

Hope of Glory said:

Umm...

That's not my argument, that's your argument. I've stated explicitly that he did not create it imperfectly. You're the one who said that the "waw" is conjuntive, therefore it was created "waste and void", which goes contrary to the Scriptures that state he created it not that way.
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You keep making a wrong assumption. If the conjunction is vaw, and a continuation is from verse one, obviously it is a continuation of his creation. As I said it is a description of a step by step creation. Listen (or read) to Henry Morris's description on Gen.1:1, in his book "The Genesis Record:"

3. “Heaven”
This word is the Hebrew shamayim which, like Elohim, is a plural noun, and can be translated either “heaven” or “heavens,” depending on the context and on whether it is associated with a singular or plural verb. It does not mean the stars of heaven, which were made only on the fourth day of Creation Week (Genesis 1:16), and which constitute the “host” of heaven, not heaven itself (Genesis 2:1).
There is a bare possibility that the Hebrew word may originally represent a compound of sham (“there”) and mayim (“waters”), thus reflecting the primeval association of water with the upper reaches of the atmosphere (Genesis 1:7).
It seems, however, that the essential meaning of the word corresponds to our modern term for space, such as when we speak of the universe, as a universe of space and time. Apparently there is no other Hebrew word used in this sense in the Bible, whereas the use of “heaven” is everywhere consistent with such a concept.
Understood in this way, it can also refer either to space in general or to a particular space, just as we may speak of “outer space,” “inner space,” “atmospheric space,” and so forth. In Genesis 1:1, the term refers to the component of space in the basic space-mass-time universe.
4. “Earth”
In like manner the term “earth” refers to the component of matter in the universe. At the time of the initial creation, there were no other planets, stars, or other material bodies in the universe; nor did any of them come into being until the fourth day. The earth itself originally had no form to it (Genesis 1:2); so this verse must speak essentially of the creation of the basic elements of matter, which thereafter were to be organized into the structured earth and later into other material bodies. The word is the Hebrew erets and is often also translated either “ground” or “land.” Somewhat similarly to the use of “heaven,” it can mean either a particular portion of earth (e.g., the “land of Canaan” – Genesis 12:5) or the earth material in general (e.g., “Let the earth bring forth grass” – Genesis 1:11).
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Genesis 1:2 follows that without break, and continues that creation.

BobRyan · Jun 11, 2007

Hope of Glory said:

Mind showing me where I've endorsed anything other than a literal 6 day restoration of the earth?
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The Bible does NOT say "for in six days the Lord RESTORED the earth"!!

Rather that Bibel says that in Creation week God MADE ALL life on earth AND the Sun AND the moon - in fact "CREATED AND MADE" according to Gen 2:3-4

BobRyan · Jun 11, 2007

J. Jump said:

And a dishonest question at that, but again it's no surprise coming from you.

Again you and DHK and others that think like you "say" the right things. Oh God is a God of order and God is a God of perfection, yet you believe that God created something that wasn't perfect to start with or otherwise.

God doesn't start with a blob and then just work on it for a few days.
Why would He do that
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That fact that you question what God said He did does NOT CHANGE the fact of Gen 1-2 sir. Your questions are not a source of scripture nor a basis for doctirne because they are only your musing as you reach wrong conclusion after wrong conclusion.

As was stated on Day 1 and 2 and 3 BEFORE the SUN and MOON were made - each one was completed and was good as God ordained it!!

EVEN including ALL plant life made BEFORE the sun!

Your "that's not right" and "That's not perfect" and "God messed up" language can only be found in YOUR posts - not the Bible.

Surely every reader can already see that -

In Gen 2:3-4 we find that this 7 day week describes what God "CREATED and MADE" in those 7 evenings and mornings JUST as Exodus 20 summarized and confirmed for the objective reader.

in Christ,

Bob

J. Jump · Jun 11, 2007

The Bible does NOT say "for in six days the Lord RESTORED the earth"!!
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Neither does it say "for in six days the Lord CREATED the earth"!

That fact that you question what God said He did does NOT CHANGE the fact of Gen 1-2 sir.
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Sir I have never questioned what God said. This continues to amaze me that you folks say such outlandsh things. I am the one that is trying to keep God's selected "words" in tact.

The BIBLE SAYS "for in six days the Lord MADE the earth." Yet you and others keep insisting that is says "created" when it clearly doesn't. I can't find a SINGLE passage or text that links the six days to creation. They ALL say MADE.

Again it just makes me laugh that you would accuse me of questioning what God said, when it fact it is YOU that is making a mockery out of what is ACTUALLY said.

DHK · Jun 11, 2007

This thread needs to be closed as it has already reached 33 pages. A new one on creation has already been started.

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