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Obama Endorses Mosque Project Near Ground Zero Site
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Jedi Knight, Aug 13, 2010.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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That however does not mean that I would not die to defend freedom of religion for all Americans. If it is taken from one group no one's right would be safe. -
Scarlett O. ModeratorModerator
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/damage.map.html
As you can see, there was structural damage to buildings far from ground-zero. If you were to ask the people who own these buildings or who were at work in those buildings that day if their building is/was where "it happened", you might not get a whole-hearted "yes", but you aren't going to get a whole-hearted "no" either.
The mosque in question is only two and a half blocks away from ground zero. It's definitely in the circle of surrounding areas that also received damage. And it's absolutely in the circle of surrounding areas that all Amercans perceive as where "it happened".
Yes, everyone here at the Baptist Board knows that there is nothing that we or anyone can do to stop this from happening. Don't think us to be idiots. We know that there will be a Muslim community center and mosque built exactly where they want it to be built.
You are all about supporting these people's property rights.
Well, do not deny the people here the right to oppose the selection of the site because we feel that it is improper, insensitive, carelessly thought out, and for propaganda's sake only.
To keep silent, wring our hands, and to just gutlessly take it where it hurts because we know that we can't infringe on anyone's "property rights" is absurd.
Making this issue about property rights is like making rape victim's case about the predator's sexual needs. It's like taking the Titanic tragedy and making all about the free speech rights of the young man who neglected to wire for help quickly enough.
For the Muslims in the American and all around the world who supported what happened on 9-11, they will be having victory celebrations and you know it. This is purely for propaganda only.
And I will not step down from my opinion about this merely because those Muslims have "property rights".
Yes, they have property rights. But do you REALLY believe that those property right supercede the bigger picture here? -
Thank you Scarlet.
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And I'll keep complaining...even though it makes me appear less "enlightened." I can't use the force of the state to stop it (and wouldn't if I could)...but I can point out that these goons aren't the least bit interested in "dialogue" or "tolerance" or whatever the feel-good buzzword of the day is. Those who believe them are gullible--and that's being very kind. -
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You dont need a PhD in meteorology to know that a storm of violence is brewing over this and that is exactly the desired outcome.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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These people have every right in the world to build this. Freedom of religion means freedom. While I think this is a shameful act, I would hate to see America start robbing religious freedom because the majority doesn't like it. Once that precedent is set no one's rights are safe. -
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I would hate to see America start robbing someone of their freedom of speech because the minority doesn't like it.
Once that precedent is set no one's rights are safe. -
I would hate to see them legally prevented or restricted from doing so. -
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I would never support seeing their constitutional freedom of religion restricted, even by any means no matter how I feel personally about the matter. -
Remember, whatever means used here to stop this may one day be used against your church.
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Many communities restrict the building of churches to areas other than residential areas.
Many communities require a certain number of handicap parking spaces for a church of a particular size.
Many communities have height restrictions on buildings.
Are you proposing that there be no restrictions on churches such as the above just because they are churches.
How about door to door evangelizing at 3 in the morning?
Would you be against restrictions limiting that?
If those sort of restrictions would apply to this mosque - shouldn't the local community have the right to see that the mosque is not built in violation of their existing regulations.
Do they have to just roll over because in this case it is a muslim building? -
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Is every single activity protected by the 1st and 14th amendments?
How about child sacrifice?
That would be a restriction on someone's religion no doubt.
Does the 1st and 14th amendment protect that too under the name of religious freedom?
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Why do the Muslims what to build a mosque at this particular location?
Do they own the land on which it would be built?
Are there any deed restrictions or zoning ordinances prohibiting it?
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