Obama Our Leader

That's it? That is your argument?

 

The rub is, Obama was elected because he promised this would CHANGE!

He either lied or has given up changing anything.

 

It is good to see you give your liberal friends credit.

 

Having people over for drinks isn't bipartisanship. And Obama didn't attempt to be bipartisan. He went and listened to them, and then didn't take their advice. That is a major failure on his part. These are people who represent the people at a much closer level than Obama does, and Obama didn't listen.

 

Usually, we call that lying.

It's not.

Criticizing him.

He has not done nearly as much as Bush did early on.

 

You think wrongly. He had drinks, and listened to the Republicans although he claimed "I won" as a tool to essentially say their ideas didn't count. Then he pushed through a bill without them.

Where was Obama demanding that Pelosi and Reid include Republicans in conference? Where was Obama demanding that Pelosi and Reid listen to and incorporate Republican ideas?

You see, when it was time to lead, Obama was silent. That is a failure by any measure. Not once did I hear Obama telling Pelosi and Reid to include Republicans and Republican ideas. Again, that's simply a failure of leadership on Obama's part.

Even though you have a great love for Obama, you should be objective enough to admit that so far, he has failed. There is still hope that he can repair this, but he has to change the way he does business.

 

Maybe you should give the president more than 26 days in office before making such a statement.

 

I remember that President Bush said something to the effect that once President Obama learns all the classified information, he will see some things differently.

If this is the case, I would expect Obama to alter a campaign promise if he finds out information that shows this to be the prudent thing to do.

 

President Obama was acting bipartisan. Like you said, he listened. In fact, the Stimulus Bill does include tax cuts, which is something the republicans wanted. The republicans wanted tax cuts only, and this was rejected.

Just because the republicans didn't get everything they wanted doesn't mean that President Obama and the democratic Congress didn't listen to them and take some of their advise.

 

All well & good, but this has no bearing on this abomination of a "drunken sailor" spending spree by the majority party! Bush was referring to national security matters, not economics.

And before you ask, I classify this bill exactly as the "bailout" ram-rodded thru by Bush.

No difference 'cept initiators.

 

That's the difference between me and you. I expect people to admit that they don't know it all upfront, rather than make promises when they are ignorant. It's a character issue, and that's big with me.

Obama during the campaign should have had enough character and integrity to say then that he didn't know it all, and would have to see what the situation really was. But he was pandering for votes.

That's simply not true, although it would have been better. Obama already had tax cuts in there. Remember that was a campaign promise. It wasn't an act of bipartisanship or compromise.

They didn't listen to them. They weren't even in the room during conference.

Don't you even read the news? Or do you just repeat your daily email talking points?

 

Maybe I missed the "wait until I am President for awhile speech".

As I recall, I believe his speeches said "WHEN I am President" change will take place.

Obama had the PERFECT opportunity to practice what he had preached with this first bill...CHANGE! We got same old political crap.

I did not vote for the man because of his antichrist pro-death values, which he proved out in his signing of the executive order to increase abortions world-wide, however I had some hope that the man was serious when he said he was going to change business as usual between the parties. How sad to see him as just more of the same.

 

I remember now why I don't talk to you much. Like your twin Carpro, arrogance and superiority drips off every word you type.

 

Nicely done. When you run out of substance, make a personal attack.

It is a strange world where being honest and knowing what you are talking about becomes "arrogance and superiority." The truth is that everything I have said is common knowledge if you even remotely keep up with the news.

I care about character and honesty, and Obama has demonstrated very little and the Obama supporters in this forum are scarcely doing better.

You are like the Bush supporters. It doesn't matter what Obama does, you will defend it, and you will get upset when someone points out that it isn't what it was claimed to be.

Hopefully we won't have to do this for four more years.