Obama's speech

[bobbyd]

OK, so i caught Barack Obama's "cover your backside" speech this morning, and this is what i got out of it:
1. I'm not playing a race card in my campaign
2. There are racial issues in this country, but i'm not playing on that
3. My pastor is not a racist
4. I don't agree with all that he said
5. He is my pastor, is not a racist but only points out the racial problems in our country and doesn't play the race card either
6. Did i mention that i'm not playing the race card?
7. We're the real "conservatives"
8. Right winged talk radio are really racists
9. Still not playing the race card in my campaign because i'm just a black man who had to overcome race to get ahead in a country full of racists
10. So everyone else needs to stop being racists and playing the race card

He's smooth, i'll give him credit; but full of rhetoric.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I'm cracking up how he & others are blaming this on right-wing radio.


He can't seperate himself from his pastor, that much is clear. He's not even going to try. There is no doubt in my mind Obama supports his pastor's views.

Buh-bye Ohbummer. Enjoy the Illinois senate.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Buh-bye Ohbummer. Enjoy the Illinois senate.

:laugh: I sure hope you are right.

I did not catch the speech, but I am sure I will see plenty of it this evening on the tube.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is a long time between now and November.

 

[Baptist Believer]

He can't seperate himself from his pastor, that much is clear. He's not even going to try. There is no doubt in my mind Obama supports his pastor's views.

On several occasions I've been a member of a church where I significantly disagreed with the pastor on many issues. That's because a church is made up of a family of God, not a pastor and his theology and/or political beliefs.

At one church I was significantly more conservative than the pastor (who was rather liberal), but participated in the work and ministry of the congregation because God had led me to the congregation to work with the poor and neglected in the community. While I often didn't agree with the pastor and other leadership in the church, they we open-minded enough to let me serve others and even teach within the congregation without changing my convictions.

A few years after that experience, I served in a highly legalistic fundamental Southern Baptist church where I was eventually considered to be "liberal" and possibly not even a Christian (at one point the Minister of Education asked me if I was actually a "Satanist" trying to infiltrate the church! ) The weird thing was that I visited their congregation and knew that God had called me to serve there, leading a certain ministry of the church. I had no idea how that was going to happen, but I joined the church in obedience and did not say a word to anyone about what I believed God had called me to do. Three days later the Minister of Education came to visit and asked me to take over that ministry. He told me that God had told him that I was to do it. I accepted. For a long time I served and was generally very well-received by most people in the congregation. However, after about 18 months, during a Bible study led by the youth minister, the youth minister realized that I didn't take everything the pastoral staff said as truth unless they had biblical support for their position. That led to a several month long campaign of false accusations and harassment until I was finally stripped of all of my responsibilities and asked to leave without ever having an opportunity to address some of the wild stories that were going around.

Currently, I am a member of a church where I feel very comfortable, but our congregation does not have uniformity of belief on many issues. There are some genuine liberals in our congregation. There are also some genuine fundamental Christians. For the most part, I actually substantially agree with my pastor on most issues. But there is no one else I know of on this earth that I agree with completely in matters of theology.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I believe you have the spiritual discernment to get up and leave, and distance yourself from, absolute fantasy & hatred coming from the pulpit. You would not put the man on any advisory committee. I believe that about you.

 

[Rubato 1]

On several occasions I've been a member of a church where I significantly disagreed with the pastor on many issues. That's because a church is made up of a family of God, not a pastor and his theology and/or political beliefs.

Good point, and the difference between you and Obama is that you can say that you disagree with your pastor, and probably be specific about it. There is a big difference between saying 'I don't agree with all of that he says' and 'I disagree with him on such-and-such', whether or not you love and support the man who said it.

 

[Revmitchell]

And there is a difference in not supporting every view of the average Pastor and Obama distancing himslef or political purposes form a Pastor who holds to extreme Anti-American, racist ideologies. Hannity made a good point today. Obama did not give Imus the same pass he gives Wright. And in fact held him to a higher standard than he did Wright. Add to that in his speech today Obama admitted to hearing some of these words of Wright's after denying it the other day.

 

[steaver]

On several occasions I've been a member of a church where I significantly disagreed with the pastor on many issues. That's because a church is made up of a family of God, not a pastor and his theology and/or political beliefs.

Disagreements are understandable. You will always have them. But Hate speech and spewing out lies from the pulpit is somethiung totally different than a normal situation.

And keep in mind, as Wright spews out the racist lies the congregation does not look confused and in disagreement, but rather they are cheering! It's more than a Wright problem in this church.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

[J.Wayne]

For me it was the BIGGEST pile of BULL, I have ever heard in my life, and if I hear him call himself and African American one more time, I may just be forced to do something stupid.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Buh-bye Ohbummer. Enjoy the Illinois senate.

Uh....Hate to tell you this, but Barrack Obama is a United States Senator.

The posts in this thread are a prime example of the error of confirmation bias. Laughable if you guys were not so blinded by your partisanship to even give a realistic and fact-based critique.

 

[J.Wayne]

Uh....Hate to tell you this, but Barrack Obama is a United States Senator.

The posts in this thread are a prime example of the error of confirmation bias. Laughable if you guys were not so blinded by your partisanship to even give a realistic and fact-based critique.

THISN CLUDED!
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[Dragoon68]

On Friday, March 14, 2008, Barack Obama said:

"... The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. ..."

On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, Barack Obama said:

"... Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. ..."

This sounds a bit like "I never had ... " and "It depends on how you define ..." to me.

I think Obama was very much aware of Wright's beliefs and his expressions of them.

Today's speech by Obama makes me more convinced of that.

 

[dragonfly]

What a great speech! :applause:

I am more excited with the prospect that this great American might be the next president of the United States of America! :thumbs:

 

[PastorSBC1303]

On Friday, March 14, 2008, Barack Obama said:

"... The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. ..."

On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, Barack Obama said:

"... Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. ..."

This sounds a bit like "I never had ... " and "It depends on how you define ..." to me.

I think Obama was very much aware of Wright's beliefs and his expressions of them.

Today's speech by Obama makes me more convinced of that.

Oh no, you forget it is all ok because he is such a good speaker ...

 

[KenH]

I am more excited with the prospect that this great American might be the next president of the United States of America! :thumbs:

Yes, indeed. We, as a nation, just may be able to overcome the incompetence of the current administration. :thumbs:

We just have to push to the periphery of political debate in this nation those who wish to keep our nation divided between red and blue states and, instead, we need all states to become purple ones.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

What a great speech! :applause:

I am more excited with the prospect that this great American might be the next president of the United States of America! :thumbs:

He is truly the best remining candidate, and I would be proud to have him lead our nation. I believe he would do worlds of good in repairing our problems at home and restoring relationships overseas.

 

[dragonfly]

For me it was the BIGGEST pile of BULL, I have ever heard in my life, and if I hear him call himself and African American one more time, I may just be forced to do something stupid.

Surely you did not mean for this in any malevolent way, but this could be taken as a possible threat against Obama. Be careful what you say, you might attract the attention of the Secret Service.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Surely you did not mean for this in any malevolent way, but this could be taken as a possible threat against Obama. Be careful what you say, you might attract the attention of the Secret Service.

Gitmo, here he comes!

 

[Dragoon68]

What a great speech! :applause:

I am more excited with the prospect that this great American might be the next president of the United States of America! :thumbs:

He obviously does have the ability to con some of the people but the truth can, never the less, still be discerned!