True but the death mentioned is a Physical death, not a Spiritual death. People are going to be led astray but being led astray doesn't mean we loose our Salvation because if it.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
How long is never? Once we belong to Christ he will not loose us no matter what
My interpretation of that is to change what scripture says with the intent of deception. I recommend reading and studying the Bible.There is nothing more important.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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Of Freedom of the Will
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Jan 4, 2019.
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If we were to take 1 John 3:6 at face value, no true Christian would ever sin again. Since that is not the case, John must mean something else. In verse 7, John goes on to warn us about being deceived. There must be a danger of falling away, or he would not have included this warning.
If I may ask, what does Calvinism have to do with this question? I must be missing something. -
John 10:27 - I completely agree. His sheep follow Him.
John 10:28 - No man can pluck His sheep out of His hand. That doesn't mean that we can't remove ourselves.
I agree completely with your admonition about studying the Bible. Indeed, nothing is more important. I'm quite sure you've been digging into the Word for many years, as I have also. That doesn't mean we will come to the same conclusion - even when guided by the Holy Spirit. -
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I must agree with you regarding the passages above. That makes perfect sense regarding our legal standing in Christ.
Would you take the same view with Colossians 1:21-23? The "if indeed you continue in the faith" (v. 23) is a big "if". -
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As I understand it, it is the difference between actually being in the faith or not. -
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Also, if a Christian decides to abuse their salvation and go out into deep sinning, will bring upon themselves chastisement of God, even to the point God calling them home early in order to save their souls and not have His name profaned! -
Personally I came to Christ in the primise that I can know for sure. And I do.
And one who lost his first love was the angel/messenger/pastor of the church of Ephesus.
". . . Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. . . ." -- Revelation 2:4. His work as a pastor.
In verse 3 Jesus warns him that if does not do this He will take his candlestick (that is, his church) from him. See Revelation 1:20. -
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While I'm no expert in languages, I believe that "thee" and "thou" can have both singular and plural meanings, just as "you" does in English. While I can see the logic in your interpretation, I believe Jesus is telling the church in Ephesus that they may lose their place. -
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No, I'm not saying that no one really knows for sure since we don't usually know when we are going to die. That would be too much like a "works-based" salvation, which we both know is not Biblical. If you are a follower of Christ when you die, you are most certainly going to spend eternity with Him. Those who have rejected Him are probably not concerned with their eternity, as they may not even believe in Heaven or Hell. -
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