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Featured Ohio Republicans want voters to pay to get special ID cards

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Zaac, May 14, 2015.

  1. InTheLight

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    Yes, so long as it conforms to "due process of law". (Fifth amendment.)



    Yes, that's part of the "due process of law" part. So far, there is no law requiring a photo voter ID. I'm not in favor of it. Therefore, let's not have that law.

    non sequitur.

    Yes, that's part of the "due process of law" part. So far, there is no law requiring a photo voter ID. I'm not in favor of it. Therefore, let's not have that law.

    Repeat this phrase for everything else on your list. Then remember, there is no law requiring a photo voter ID.
     
  2. Zaac

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    Not to mention I've described the same very burdensome task in Georgia. If a person has to go through all of that just to get an ID to vote, they aren't gonna do it especially if you're on a limited income and don't drive.

    Scott and the GOP know this. They just don't care if it's difficult for the elderly and the poor to do.
     
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    Exactly where in the Constitution is voting a right
     
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    So once the law is passed then it will meet your "as it conforms to 'due process of law' " standard
     
  5. InTheLight

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    For heaven's sake, I've posted this at least three times in the past year.

    15th Amendment:
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    19th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

    24th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    26th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
     
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    Yes. So long as its ruled constitutional, and a lot of them have been of late. Keep in mind that states control the voter registration process.
     
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    Seems that PROOF of who you are, IE: CITIZEN of the US of A, conforms pretty well with IDs! So where is the problem??

    (As an aside, if you have to take a cab to the polling spot, is that considered "paying to vote"? According to some of the fuzzy logic on this thread, I would have to say YES! :confused:)
     
  8. InTheLight

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    The problem is that they want to require a photo ID and they want you to pay for it. Millions of people that had previously been legally voting will now be unable to do so without taking action and paying money.

    No. Because there are alternative ways to get to the polling place. The voter chose to use that cab. If this new law were to be passed the voter would have no choice but to obtain one of these ID's.
     
  9. Zaac

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    If you don't pay to take a cab, will they stop you from voting when you get to the polls?

    NOPE.

    You can walk, ride a bike, carpool, get a ride from church and still vote when you get to the polls.

    Show up without paying for this ID, and they won't let you vote

    More fuzzy logic

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    You are missing my whole point!
    Each example you gave me was "on account of ...gender, race, age..."

    Where does the Constitution give a general right to vote?

    And to add fuel to the fire, A State/Commonwealth could pass a law allowing non-citizen Asian males over the age of 25 to vote!

    Those amendments you gave only prohibit the States/Commonwealths from discriminating against the groups you mentioned in post # 85
     
  11. InTheLight

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    Don't be obtuse. The only discrimination is age. The U.S. government must allow citizens above the age of 18 to vote. States must allow a man or a woman citizen, of any race, that is over the age of 18 the right to vote.

    And no, a state could not allow a non-citizen to vote based on Article 6, Clause 2 of the Constitution.
     
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    No a state does not have to as evidenced by states not allowing felons to vote.
     
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    OK, but the supremacy clause of the US Constitution would prevail in the hypothetical case of Salty whereby non-citizen Asian would be allowed to vote.
     
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    I don't disagree with that. My point is that states certainly can place limitations on who can vote and who can't. The only restrictions to that are clearly defined. Anything else is fair game.
     
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    and on the other hand, a State or Commonwealth could allow citizens younger than 18 to vote


    Article 6, Clause 2 does not address voting.
    So, where does the US Constitution require a person to be a US citizen to be able to vote?
     
  16. InTheLight

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    It's the Supremacy Clause that states the Constitution and federal law supersedes state law.


    For heaven's sake, I've posted this at least three times in the past year.

    15th Amendment:
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    19th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

    24th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    26th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
     
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    The Supreme Court has ruled that the 14th amendment, sec. 2 covers the exclusion of felons to voting. Therefore, states have an ability to bar felons from voting, and rebels or criminals are the only type of person that may be barred from voting, the penalty being a reapportionment of representation (loss of members of US Congress).

    But when the right to vote [...] is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
     
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  18. matt wade

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    I don't think sec 2 says what you think it says. What it actually says is that if a state denies someone from voting that their congressional representation can be reduced. It then states that the representation can't be reduced if those citizens were disenfranchised because they were criminals or involved in a rebellion.
     
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    Clearly says every male of age has the right to vote and the state cannot exclude anyone except for rebels or criminals. The Supreme Court has affirmed this viewpoint.
     
  20. matt wade

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    No, it doesn't say that. It speaks to representation.
     
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