Brother Bob] I love singing them old time songs
OK for a woman to baptize?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by rbell, Jul 3, 2007.
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And did you notice that 'gift' or 'give' is found four times in the context?
And did you also notice that 'office' is found exactly zero times in the same context?
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poimhn
poimen
poy-mane'
of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively):--shepherd, pastor.
It doesn't give us much on the qualifications does it? -
Seems like we have a church in NC, but not sure.
New Salem has a New Home but its in IND. -
And I never mentioned anything about large churches, either. I was speaking about churches of 100 or so, as per your post. Are you realistically saying that in none of these churches you know of, there is not even one other "lay" person who can fit the qualifications for elder in I Tim. 3 and Titus 1?? That still to me seems unthinkable!
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Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
The word (as someone has already mentioned) is poimen and is found 17 times in the NT, translated as "shepherd".
Matt. 9:36
Matt. 25:32
Matt. 26:31
Mk. 6:34
Mk. 14:27
Lk. 2:8
Lk. 2:15
Lk. 2:18
Lk. 2:20
Jn. 10:2
Jn. 10:11
Jn. 10:12
Jn. 10:14
Jn. 10:16
Eph. 4:11
Heb. 13:20
1 Pet. 2:25
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And one with the gift of pastor and teacher may just as easily not be an elder, by the same token. Guess that would make one a "lay" member, hunh?
Oh BTW, my own five times great, grandfather, Squire Boone, Jr. was the first Baptist preacher to set foot west of the Alleghenies, and the first Baptist to preach a sermon in KY. He was a "lay" preacher, FTR.
I think I have made my position fairly clear on pastor and elder; gift and office. If it is not clear by now, it will never be, for some. I shall not intend to take any more pages on this thread to touch on that, wanting to get back to baptism.
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Thank you HankD;
But is there anywhere mentioned the qualifications of a sheppard or Pastor, except feed my sheep, or feed my lambs. -
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I submit that while in practice, baptism is usually done under "the authority of a local church", Biblically that is nowhere stated. And what church can we say gave Philip the authority to baptize the Ethiopian eunech, whether or not by 'determining if the candidate gave evidence of salvation'? Seems to me he was in an awful hurry to get baptized, if I remember my Scripture correctly. "See? Water! What does hinder me from being baptized?" I don't see that Philip took him before the church; rather, he baptized him right then and there!
Likewise, the twelve disciples Paul found at Ephesus when he arrived there for the first time. What church did they go before? Seems they were baptized at the time, and BTW, it does not say Paul actually did the baptizin'! Only says he did the preachin'! You can find these in Acts 8 and 19, I believe.
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Good place to stand, IMO.
But I add, 'ruling' the assembly is part of the job description for the elders, as I posted before. :D
G' nite, all.
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This is what the scripture says. The Church is not a BUILDING, IT IS THE PEOPLE OF GOD. -
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And I did not comment on the virtually complete lack of textual support for Acts 8:37 in the Greek manuscripts, because that was not germane to the question asked, FTR.
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Mat 18:20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
I guess Philip and the Lord made two. -
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