First, your post simply demonstrates that you had a bad experience in an IFB church.
Second you demonstrate a logical fallacy of "sweeping generalization" or painting all IFB churches with the same broad brush of your one small experience.
Next you call IFB churches a "denomination." What part of "independent" do you not understand?
Also, I suspect you don't have a proper definition of "legalistic". If you did, you would be labeling all of us unsaved, just as Paul did to those who drew away the Galatians from the faith. He said about those legalists that they preached "another gospel" and were accursed. That is a harsh condemnation against your brothers in Christ.
Then, they are frequently non-KjVO, like ours. Again, based on your bad experience it is another sweeping generalization.
Their evangelistic methods are probably some of the best methods used, and that is why IFB churches have some of the largest churches in America. But then you don't take the time to find out what those methods are. Again, you had a bad experience. Another sweeping generalization.
"Just getting people to repeat a prayer." How wrong you are! That is as good as slander in my books. At least it is saying things that are not true. You fail to do your research. You post in ignorance. You ought to be ashamed of what you post.
Old folks who think they love old things
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Mar 11, 2013.
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EDIT:Retracted - I'm upset and answered harshly and in a unchristian manner. DHK I apologize.
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I don't really have a problem with some of the threads getting a bit heated, and bantering back and forth, but I have a BIG problem when a thread is designed to heap scorn and ridicule on those Christians who may have a different perspective than the OP's.
Some of the young pups (meant lovingly, of course) on the forum sometimes seem to think their experiences, background, and education are the only valid ones. They fail to understand that it was those old timers, like us, who built the churches, colleges, and seminaries where these young people got their upbringing and educations.
His major problem seems to be that he has very little understanding of the older generation and what they believe.
For instance, he says:
The Book? Yes, we stand firmly planted in the revealed word of God. I am now retired but prior to my retirement I used the NKJV. The church where I presently attend uses the ESV in the pulpit and Sunday School. The ESV is an excellent English translation.
The Blood? Yes, we believe in the Blood, also known as the substitutionary atonement of Christ. The only alternative to His sacrifice is works based salvation.
The Blessed Hope? Yes, we believe in the Blessed Hope of the return of Christ. After all that is one of the Fundamentals of the Faith. To deny the return of Christ is to deny the clear teaching of the Scriptures. However, the timing and manner of His sure return is certainly open for discussion, at least among those with open minds. :)
No, young man, we do not make the mistake of thinking our church culture here in the US is "old." We know when and where these things had their beginnings. Perhaps you could lay aside your critical spirit long enough to understand us, our faith, our preference in worship styles, etc., before you post more inaccurate and disrespectful nonsense about the senior saints on the forum.
Just a little aside. You say you have been a pastor for 11 years. Good for you. Keep up the good work. I spent 40 years in the ministry, 26 years as Senior Pastor of the same church. I also spend 25 years as a bible college and seminary professor. I saw a lot of young people who thought their preferences were the only ones that were correct and those who had different preferences in types of music, or bible of choice, etc., were stupid old fogies who were only good for laughing at. But, by the grace of God most of those young people grew out of their arrogant assumption that they, and they alone, had all the answers. Sadly, the ones who did not grow out of it ended up with a shipwrecked ministry and, for the most part, are no longer serving God in any full time ministry. Beware you do not stumble over the same arrogance and self righteousness that tripped up so many other good men who could not see past their own preferences, nor could they grant others the Christian liberty to have their own preferences. :)
(By the way, our youngest will be 39 next month. Our oldest will be 49 next December. You say that it was my generation that lost America. I contend you are wrong. My generation was the last to fight for our liberty, and the liberty of others all around the world. My brother-in-law flew 212 missions over "flak alley" (from airfields in England to bomb Berlin) during WWII. My brother was an Army Sergeant during Korea. I served during Vietnam. It was your generation, given the vote by means of the 26th amendment in 1971 that began the downfall of the once great country I, and my brothers in arms, fought for.)
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Well stated, TC, very well stated!!!
I can still remember (76 now) the attitudes I had as a young pup; sorta like Luke, but not as "arrogant" as him, but the same basic view of the "oldsters".
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The 26 amendment was passed 11 years after I was a teen. :D
The hint was in the age of my children. My oldest will be 50 this year, and my "baby" will be 40. :) -
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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A generation is usually recognized to be 20-25 years....
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New voters between 18-21 constitute up to 10% of the electorate in some states. Young people that age have little understanding of politics and tend to vote leftist.
Not to mention that the human brain does not fully mature until around age 22-24. So you have highly immature people casting up to 10% of the vote, which is greater than the margin between winners and losers for any given office. :) -
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Funny how the Bible says that the older saints are the ones to be emulated by the young ones, but in this generation, everything old is bad.
You can bad mouth me and those of my generation all you like, but I'm still going to dress for church as if it's church, I'm still going to believe that 'Tis Finished, The Messiah Dies is better than the modern shallow "worship" music nonsense that does nothing but glorify man and feminize God, and I'm still going to get behind solid, expositional preaching and reject your Ed Young Jr nonsense. -
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Yes, there are a lot of skinny jeans types of young people.
But there are also many who are not that type who want the truly old things.
A good example is the one you mentioned. There is a revival of expository preaching in this generation.
The point I am trying to make is that many folks in their 60s talk about loving old things but when you ask them "WHAT old things?" they list songs written in the 50's, going to the altar (which has only been a permeating practice in the church for a little more than a century), etc...
The point is that these old people (not ALL old people) fight young people for old ways that are not old. They are actually fighting young people for wanting the same things they want: stuff that was fresh when they were young.
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