It is...when they themselves call themselves by those titles, lol.
And the question is...are they following Christ. If so, then they are Christians.
The focus is whether one can be a Christian and not be born again or not. You say they can be, Scripture denies that.
The same way I know what you think...they tell me, just as you have revealed your heart.
Whereas I find most people do very little thinking, but instead have the "faith" they profess spoon fed to them by those in authority over them.
That is why we have so many people involved in cults, and so many people who say they belong to one group or another yet their doctrine is totally incompatible with that group.
Like you: you say you are a baptist yet you teach doctrines held by cults and those derived from Jewish Tradition.
I have asked you numerous times exactly what type of Baptist you are, and you will not even be honest about that.
The reason? Most likely because even if you do attend a Baptist Church, you know your doctrine is incompatible with what that group teaches.
Most of them.
Just about every fellowship I have ever been a member of has always erroneously taught Hebrews 10:25 out of context, and that it is speaking about going to Church. In the fellowship I am a member in now it is often said, "If you go to Church on Sunday, you love the church, if you go on Sunday night, you love the Pastor, and if you go on Wednesday...you love the Lord."
It is a typical Pulpit Bred mentality that derives from both the teaching of most churches as well as the perception of the average pew warmer, lol.
Nothing Biblical about it at all.
The idea that if one regularly attends "church" they must be saved is a religious concept which can be found in just about every denomination you can think of.
Why do you think I address your posts?
I certainly don't want people to come to this forum, read the heresy and Liberal Philosophy you endorse...
...and think that is representative of what Baptists teach and believe.
There is already enough error to be had without people thinking that Abortion and Annihilation are acceptable doctrinal positions.
In this thread it grows worse because now you are speaking about Salvation in Christ and presenting the very position that one can be saved...and not born again.
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One Must Hold to the Physical bodily resurrection to be saved?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Jan 28, 2017.
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Was it really difficult for Adam to understand "Do not eat of that tree?"
Scripture is not a secret spy book one needs the magic decoder ring for, it is the revelation of God to man, and given so...
...man can understand it.
So what part of...
John 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
...do you not understand?
I have told you, I will be glad to help you understand it.
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They trust the god they have learned about.
They regularly make an oath of allegiance of faithfulness to Allah.
They submit to the teachings of Muhammad.
But they are not born again.
The foundational principle of faith in God is not relevant to an Age in which the Gospel of Jesus Christ is being revealed. While I do believe those who are sincere in their obedience to the internal witness of God and the testimony of Creation stand a good chance when they are judged, that does not change the fact that I also believe that the Comforter gives every man and woman the opportunity to come to Christ and be born again.
Muslims seek to force the world to submit to the teachings of Muhammad, whereas Christians understand that every man and woman must respond to God and the Gospel directly. There is no middle man among men as there is with all other religions.
So it is false to suggest they are "following Christ."
;)
Furthermore, you have not addressed the Scripture provided you that shows such positions to be Liberal Philosophy.
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He'll speak to those who sincerely want to understand His will for our lives. That is the very reason He gave us the Word.
Well, another heresy to add to the collection...
And yes, an "incomplete formed fetus" has life, though they do not have Life.
And when the child in the womb dies, or is murdered in Abortion, they fall under the grace of a God Who did not impose eternal separation on Old Testament Saints who also died not receiving regeneration and the eternal indwelling of God.
That's why they went to Hades, Happy.
That's all you have to do, Happy.
What happened?
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Then explain why you advocate for the murder of the unborn and deny the necessity of the new birth?
Just doesn't quite add up, Happy.
The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is taught as empowerment by most, and that is error.
Happy said: ↑Jumbled thoughts.Click to expand...
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Happy said: ↑What do you think philosophy is? Precisely using their carnal thoughts to decide what Scripture means.Click to expand...
;)
Happy said: ↑Again; the Word of God written and spoken IS KNOWLEDGE!
Again; KNOWLEDGE is not UNDERSTANDING!Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑You can babble on and on and on making accusations over and over and over. Moot to me.Click to expand...
So no babbling here...
Happy said: ↑I have had DEAF student Children grasp what escapes you.
Their Lord is not the created or from the seed of the created!
Their Lord is Faithful and has made them "WHOLE".
Their Lord is Faithful and they experience the results of the Lords works IN THEM!
Their Lord is Faithful and one day they SHALL SEE the their new body, God has prepared for them!Click to expand...
;)
Happy said: ↑On the Cover, and first page.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑I noticed. Uh huh, I noticed you apply the term Christian to yourself, and elevated that term to MEAN what you have decided.Click to expand...
But, when, after "not many days" from the time of Christ's teaching in Acts 1:4-5, they received the Spirit of God in the Eternal Indwelling Ministry that began at Pentecost, they were sent to preach, not the Gospel of the Kingdom, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The distinction can be seen in that Christ states twice He had come to Israel only, and the Kingdom Prophesied, which we know as the Millennial Kingdom, is the Kingdom they preached about, and is prominent in most of Christ's Parables (and that does not deny an application of His teaching to this Age).
Old Testament Saints were not "Christians," as they did not understand what Messiah would come to do. All who place their faith in Christ from Pentecost forward are Christians. They are, at salvation, indwelt eternally by God, and this is the primary reason for Regeneration.
Adam died, and all his descendants are conceived in that state. We are born again spiritually, receiving the Life lost in Adam through his sin.
Happy said: ↑Do you also go visit all the Sunday school classes, with 5 ~ 10 yr olds (who are hearing and learning ABOUT Jesus) and poke your head in to teach them to NOT CALL THEMSELVES Christians?Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Do you? Do you practice in your own Church what you preach.....correcting little children in such manner?Click to expand...
Or sights, however you want to look at it...
;)
Happy said: ↑No, I am not arguing with you. I am disagreeing with you BECAUSE I trust Christ Jesus' understanding OVER yours.Click to expand...
John 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
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Darrell C said: ↑Christ established the Provision for Salvation for the world,Click to expand...
that does not equate to "Christ saved the world."Click to expand...
I said it is provided, it is for everyone, it is their salvation, IF one accepts it!
Sorry, but we have to distinguish the word "given" as it applies to the realities of the truth of Scripture. Christ was "given" to the world, that does not nullify the fact that many, most according to the teachings of Christ...will reject the Gift that has been given.Click to expand...
And I already addressed gifts are provided, and one must accept it, claim it, to benefit from it.
Correct, but you blur the lines and create a false gospel.Click to expand...
And I would agree with that, but, it is when we consider everything you say that we see you overstep the bounds of truth.Click to expand...
You cannot be considered saved just because the provision for salvation is available.Click to expand...
We do not "keep" our salvation, anymore than we "keep" our humanity.Click to expand...
No, Happy, rejecting Christ (and I believe God gives all men opportunity to be saved, in that He reveals the truth to all men (and I use "men" in the general sense referring to mankind)) is not "losing salvation."Click to expand..."rejecting Christ is not "losing salvation".Click to expand...
Salvation IS provided for all.
The caveat IS.......IF you accept Christ, you ARE accepting Salvation provided for you
and ~ you WILL be savED.
The caveat IS.......IF you reject Christ , you ARE rejecting Salvation provided for you
and ~ you WILL not be savED.
That is where you completely confuse the truths of Scripture.Click to expand...
Again, this is Liberal Philosophy.Click to expand...
Men do not "claim Salvation," any more than a drowning man pulled out of the water "claims his rescue."Click to expand...
So Salvation was provided for you ~ and according to you "men do not "claim Salvation" ~
So what happened for YOU, who did not claim your Salvation - did mommy force you to become saved?
Did God force you to become saved?
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Darrell C said: ↑You are being very deceitful, Happy, and that is necessary because you do not want to accept what you are being told.Click to expand...
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Darrell C said: ↑Ah, you're catching on...Click to expand...
Agreed. That is kind of the point.Click to expand...
So no babbling here...Click to expand...
So I guess you also think "Genuine Leather" is inspired as well?Click to expand...
Just what Scripture teaches it means.Click to expand...
Not my job. But what I also do not do is assume that everyone in a Sunday School classroom is a born again Christian.Click to expand...
That you have shown to be false, because you teach that which He denies.Click to expand... -
Darrell C said: ↑Old Testament Saints were not "Christians,"Click to expand...
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Darrell C said: ↑It is...when they themselves call themselves by those titles, lol.Click to expand...
I have never called myself a Liberal.
I have never called myself an advocate of philosophy.
I have never called myself an advocate of abortion.
I have never called myself a denier of the truth of scripture.
However, in CONTRAST to what you just said, you do not hesitate to call people what they do not call themselves.
And the question is...are they following Christ. If so, then they are Christians.
The focus is whether one can be a Christian and not be born again or not. You say they can be, Scripture denies that.Click to expand...
A person FOLLOWING the teachings of Christ, HAVING FAITH, BELIEVE what they are LEARNING, ARE being ENLIGHTENED by the Word of God, can and do call themselves a Christian.
A person FOLLOWING the teachings of Christ, HAVING FAITH, BELIEVE what they are LEARNING, ARE being ENLIGHTENED by the Word of God, AND "ACCEPT" Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior, AND ACCEPT "their" Salvation from the Lord, can and do call themselves BORN AGAIN Christians.
IF YOU, want to EXCLUDE children, men, woman from your "EXCLUSIVE" TITLE of Christian, because they are FOLLOWING SCRIPTURE and FIRST LEARNING ABOUT GOD BEFORE they commit an oath to the Lord, that is YOUR BUSINESS. I don't.
AND FYI ~ such a person NOT SAVED, IS being enlightened, by the Spirit of God, during the time they are following what Scripture teaches, to FIRST LEARN ABOUT GOD, BEFORE submitting unto the Lord!
The same way I know what you think...they tell me, just as you have revealed your heart.Click to expand...
Whereas I find most people do very little thinking, but instead have the "faith" they profess spoon fed to them by those in authority over them.Click to expand...
That is why we have so many people involved in cults, and so many people who say they belong to one group or another yet their doctrine is totally incompatible with that group.Click to expand...
Like you: you say you are a baptist yet you teach doctrines held by cults and those derived from Jewish Tradition.Click to expand...
You seem to ignore "Saints" are not exclusive to the OT.
Believing and Trusting the Word of God, is not a new phenomenon.
Believing and Trusting there is a Messiah, is not a new phenomenon.
Believing and Trusting the Word of God, has a NAME, and TITLE, and APPEARED to mankind IS a revelation that some accept and some do not.
You would rather carry on and on about silly nonsense.
Does your Pastor greet the people coming into YOUR Church and label them saved or unsaved so "your Christians" are not mingling and influenced by "your NON-Christians"?
I have asked you numerous times exactly what type of Baptist you are, and you will not even be honest about that.Click to expand...
Yes you have asked. No I have NOT answered you. That is NOT being DISHONEST, it is ignoring your question!
The reason? Most likely because even if you do attend a Baptist Church, you know your doctrine is incompatible with what that group teaches.Click to expand...
Just about every fellowship I have ever been a member of has always erroneously taught Hebrews 10:25 out of context, and that it is speaking about going to Church. In the fellowship I am a member in now it is often said, "If you go to Church on Sunday, you love the church, if you go on Sunday night, you love the Pastor, and if you go on Wednesday...you love the Lord."
It is a typical Pulpit Bred mentality that derives from both the teaching of most churches as well as the perception of the average pew warmer, lol.
Nothing Biblical about it at all.
The idea that if one regularly attends "church" they must be saved is a religious concept which can be found in just about every denomination you can think of.Click to expand...
I can only wonder, why you committed yourself to the membership, when you now announce your disagreement with what they teach.
Why do you think I address your posts?Click to expand...
I certainly don't want people to come to this forum, read the heresy and Liberal Philosophy you endorse...Click to expand...
...and think that is representative of what Baptists teach and believe.Click to expand...
Just about every fellowship I have ever been a member of has always erroneously taught Hebrews 10:25 out of context, and that it is speaking about going to Church. In the fellowship I am a member in now it is often said, "If you go to Church on Sunday, you love the church, if you go on Sunday night, you love the Pastor, and if you go on Wednesday...you love the Lord."
It is a typical Pulpit Bred mentality that derives from both the teaching of most churches as well as the perception of the average pew warmer, lol.Click to expand...
There is already enough error to be had without people thinking that Abortion and Annihilation are acceptable doctrinal positions.Click to expand...
In this thread it grows worse because now you are speaking about Salvation in Christ and presenting the very position that one can be saved...and not born again.Click to expand... -
Darrell C said: ↑You say, ahem, that you...figured that out?Click to expand...
Then explain why you advocate for the murder of the unborn and deny the necessity of the new birth?Click to expand...
Just doesn't quite add up, Happy.Click to expand...
You should, with all of what you have been told and with all of the Scriptures provided to show you what Regeneration means, and when it began.Click to expand...
You are not my Spiritual teacher.
The ONLY thing you have taught me, is "your way" of how "you favor name tags", "favor name calling",
'speak for others," "give false testimony", "bounce around joining different Churches", and "the Churches you become members of do not teach properly or have a flippant laughable attitude", "favor arguing over silly nonsense".
The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is taught as empowerment by most.Click to expand...and that is errorClick to expand...
Acts 1 [8] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
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Happy said: ↑Duh - that is what I just said.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑that does not equate to "Christ saved the world."Click to expand...Click to expand...
Here is the root of the focus right now:
Happy said:Darrell C said:Salvation cannot be lostClick to expand...Click to expand...
So what is going to be, Happy, can salvation be lost? Or not?
It is not a matter of "which understanding you are giving," and it is not a matter of Liberal Philosophy that does nothing but create the confusion, deflection, and ineffable twaddle you continually present.
You try to argue this point for the sake of argument (and argument that has no place in Doctrinal Discussion and Debate).
There is no "salvation" based on "another understanding," that is the point of everything I have said in recent posts.
Salvation is only legitimate when someone is actually saved, we don't ascribe a philosophical attaining on Salvation in Christ to the world in general. That is why I said we have to distinguish what we mean by the word "given."
It is written, "Unto us a Son is given," and the reality is, "He came unto His Own and His Own...received Him not."
Happy said: ↑I said it is provided, it is for everyone, it is their salvation, IF one accepts it!Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Sorry, but we have to distinguish the word "given" as it applies to the realities of the truth of Scripture. Christ was "given" to the world, that does not nullify the fact that many, most according to the teachings of Christ...will reject the Gift that has been given.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑And I already addressed gifts are provided, and one must accept it, claim it, to benefit from it.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Correct, but you blur the lines and create a false gospel.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Christian is mans way to express a person having faith in Christ.
Born Again Christian is mans way to express a person having faith and submitted to Christ.Click to expand...
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Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑And I would agree with that, but, it is when we consider everything you say that we see you overstep the bounds of truth.Click to expand...
That is a lie!Click to expand...
You have yet to address the Scripture presented that makes it clear that men must be born again.
Yet you propose the view that men can be Christians...yet not born again.
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑You cannot be considered saved just because the provision for salvation is available.Click to expand...Click to expand...
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Happy said: ↑Pay attention!Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑I said SALVATION is provided for all, it is THEIRS to have.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑I don't dictate the terms, the Word of God dictates the terms, and the only way a person is a Christian is if they are born again.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Here you are speaking about men being a Christian, which is equable to being saved, who have not submitted to God. I make it very clear in my statement the focus is how one becomes a Christian in, and I know you don't like this term...reality.
There are numerous posts addressing this heresy. Now you want to back-peddle, which is okay with me, but until you renounce this nonsense the discussion will continue.
Happy said: ↑< that is not SAVED!Click to expand...
That is what I said.
Happy said: ↑I was clear it is their Salvation to have, and they must accept it to BECOME savED!Click to expand...
Happy said:Darrell C said:Salvation cannot be lostClick to expand...Click to expand...
And that is the problem with Liberal Philosophy...
...it thinks you can give multiple "understandings" and they are all true.
Reality is subjective.
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑We do not "keep" our salvation, anymore than we "keep" our humanity.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Nothing a man or woman does at any time contributes to salvation.
That is like keeping our humanity. If we are human, we are human, we didn't "claim it," and we do not "keep it."
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑No, Happy, rejecting Christ (and I believe God gives all men opportunity to be saved, in that He reveals the truth to all men (and I use "men" in the general sense referring to mankind)) is not "losing salvation."Click to expand...
"rejecting Christ is not "losing salvation".Click to expand...
Let's look at the double-mindedness:
Happy said: ↑
Happy said:Darrell C said:Salvation cannot be lostClick to expand...Click to expand...
So, uh, ya, men can lose their salvation.Click to expand...
Doesn't matter what "understanding" you are trying to give, but it does matter that you're understanding is in error.
Happy said: ↑Nonsense!Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Salvation IS provided for all.Click to expand...
Conviction is provided for all, and that does not equate to "salvation is provided for all."
Happy said: ↑The caveat IS.......IF you accept Christ, you ARE accepting Salvation provided for you
and ~ you WILL be savED.Click to expand...
We are making progress.
;)
Happy said: ↑The caveat IS.......IF you reject Christ , you ARE rejecting Salvation provided for you
and ~ you WILL not be savED.Click to expand...
This would be an issue of semantics if it were not for all the twaddle you proposed earlier.
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑That is where you completely confuse the truths of Scripture.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Again, this is Liberal Philosophy.Click to expand...Click to expand...
If the shoe fits...
Happy said: ↑as if that justifies your lack of understanding.Click to expand...
...would not want to correct their error.
That is something I will never understand.
Happy said: ↑A long standing liberal tactic. Congrats ~Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Men do not "claim Salvation," any more than a drowning man pulled out of the water "claims his rescue."Click to expand...Click to expand...
Your philosophy that one can go to church and be a Christian without "submitting" and being born again...
...is the Doctrine of Demons.
That is just a fact. It is contrary to the teaching of Christ and the Apostles.
Happy said: ↑So Salvation was provided for you ~ and according to you "men do not "claim Salvation" ~Click to expand...
Darrell C said: ↑Men do not "claim Salvation," any more than a drowning man pulled out of the water "claims his rescue."Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑So what happened for YOU, who did not claim your SalvationClick to expand...
That's what everyone who is Born Again does.
That is what every Christian has done.
There was no effort on my part, no contribution that allowed me to be saved.
Happy said: ↑- did mommy force you to become saved?Click to expand...
But thanks for asking.
Happy said: ↑Did God force you to become saved?
LOL ~Click to expand...
God bless. -
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑You are being very deceitful, Happy, and that is necessary because you do not want to accept what you are being told.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Here is the Doctrine of Demons you propose and the course of the discussion:
Happy said: ↑Pfft! Nonsense. A person can be a Christian ~ and not be saved or born again.Click to expand...Darrell C said: ↑No, actually, one is not a Christian until they are Regenerate, and this is a result of trusting on the Sacrifice of Christ, which...
...not one disciple did until they were enlightened by the Comforter.Click to expand...Happy said: ↑You think a person in the process of LEARNING about Christ, is not follower of Christ's teachings?Click to expand...Darrell C said: ↑One cannot "learn of Christ" in their natural state. The only time this occurs is when one is under conviction of the Holy Ghost. Scripture makes that clear.Click to expand...Happy said: ↑False. Men LEARN of CHRIST in their "natural state". Men in their "natural state" SUBMIT unto Christ.
The "KNOWLEDGE" is in Scripture. The "UNDERSTANDING" of the knowledge is what is given a man, AFTER he submits. And even then, that man needs to SEEK that understanding.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑You are being very deceitful, Happy, and that is necessary because you do not want to accept what you are being told.Click to expand...Click to expand...
So I will let anyone that might read this decide.
God bless. -
Happy said: ↑No, I am not "catching on" to what I already know.Click to expand...
;)
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Agreed. That is kind of the point.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑So no babbling here...Click to expand...Click to expand...
;)
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑So I guess you also think "Genuine Leather" is inspired as well?Click to expand...Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑And nothing what I said.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Just what Scripture teaches it means.Click to expand...Click to expand...
...and that this is acceptable.
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Not my job. But what I also do not do is assume that everyone in a Sunday School classroom is a born again Christian.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Judges 13:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.
Psalm 22:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Luke 1:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Once again, your philosophy conflicts with what Scripture actually teaches.
Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑That you have shown to be false, because you teach that which He denies.Click to expand...Click to expand...
Doctrine of demons, a damnable heresy, and one that conflicts with our mandate to see men saved, not placate their fears that their trip to Hell not conflict with their conscience.
God bless. -
Happy said: ↑Since you are so enamored with "titles / name tags"...
is a "Christian" a "saint" ?Click to expand...
While a saint might be used to refer to Angels, it is a common term used to designate believers.
It is not a "super Christian."
The basic concept is that which is holy. Not necessarily in the sense of "sinlessness," but in a sense of separated unto the Lord. This was true of the Old Testament Saints, who were "saved" in the sense that their eternal destiny was fixed through justification by faith in God.
God bless. -
Darrell C said: ↑You need to understand that I am looking at this from a perspective that takes everything you have said into consideration. The idea that men can be saved without being born again is absurd.Click to expand...
And those WORDS are yours, not mine.
So why do you keep making absurd statements, and dumping them ON ME?
I never said those things.
Here is the root of the focus right now:Click to expand...So what is going to be, Happy, can salvation be lost? Or not?Click to expand...
Maybe the toddler version will sink in...
Here is Jesus' BODY -
Jesus' BODY was prepared of God -
Jesus' BODY was sent to earth for men to SEE Him example How to become acceptable unto God.
Jesus' HOLY BODY was given unto DEATH, so that "ALL" of mankind could RECEIVE Salvation.
By Jesus' DEAD HOLY BODY, "ALL" of mankind has opportunity to RECEIVE Salvation provided for them.
SALVATION provided for "ALL" of mankind.
A piece of pie FOR YOU on the counter, mommy set there FOR YOU.
A dollar FOR YOU left on the counter, mommy set there FOR YOU to buy your school lunch.
If you do not TAKE 'your pie".....If you do not TAKE "your money".....you LOSE having "YOUR PIE"...
you LOSE having "your money".
If you do not TAKE "your salvation"....you Lose having your Salvation.
IF you do TAKE your pie, your money, your Salvation - YOU received it, claimed it... IT IS YOURS to keep! No one can TAKE AWAY YOUR SALVATION.
IF you received it, it is permanently yours forever. A gift from God.
It is not a matter of "which understanding you are giving," and it is not a matter of Liberal Philosophy that does nothing but create the confusion, deflection, and ineffable twaddle you continually present.Click to expand...
Jesus provided salvation for ALL. It is THEIRS to take. If they do not receive it they lose it. If they receive it, it is theirs forever.
You try to argue this point for the sake of argument (and argument that has no place in Doctrinal Discussion and Debate).Click to expand...
There is no "salvation" based on "another understanding," that is the point of everything I have said in recent posts.Click to expand...Salvation is only legitimate when someone is actually saved, we don't ascribe a philosophical attaining on Salvation in Christ to the world in general.Click to expand...
legitimate, actually, < irrelevant.
WE ARE SAVED, when we submit to the Lord from the truth in our hearts. PERIOD.
Philosophical? "attaining on Salvation in Christ to the world" ?
Who said, "attains" ? I didn't. You did. And then call it philosophical. That's on you, not me.
The world "in general"? Well speaking from Scripture Jesus precisely (not generally) gave HIS FLESH, for the LIFE "of the world". Not a few, not only some, not only a certain race, not only Christians...but ALL of the world.
SALVATION for ALL is "provided", just as I said before.
And just as I clearly said before....ANY person WHO DOES NOT RECEIVE, TAKE, CLAIM the salvation that was provided FOR THEM, they lose it. They die IN THEIR SINS. THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN. THEY remain separated from GOD.
You say that, but it does not jibe with your p[philosophy that men can be "Christians" apart from actually being saved.Click to expand...
How does that work in your world? Christian, saved and born again.....and then change their mind, they are no longer a Christian?.....AND? Are they then....UNSAVED and UNBORN AGAIN?
That is true, however, we cannot overlook the philosophy you propose.Click to expand...
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Darrell C said: ↑Here is the Doctrine of Demons you propose and the course of the discussion:So I will let anyone that might read this decide.
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Happy said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑Darrell C said: ↑
It is...when they themselves call themselves by those titles, lol.Click to expand...
I have never called myself a Liberal.
I have never called myself an advocate of philosophy.
I have never called myself an advocate of abortion.
I have never called myself a denier of the truth of scripture.Click to expand...
Your deflection is time consuming and boring. So also, go back...and address the Scripture presented to deny your Liberal Philosophy.
And by the way, I have no qualms calling someone who proposes Liberal doctrine and tries to deny Scripture rejects such positions a Liberal.
You should get used to it if you are going to hang around.
Happy said: ↑However, in CONTRAST to what you just said, you do not hesitate to call people what they do not call themselves.Click to expand...
You say this as if properly designating someone by reason of the philosophy and positions they held...is a bad thing.
Happy said: ↑And the question is...are they following Christ. If so, then they are Christians.Click to expand...
Happy said: ↑Happy said: ↑
Pfft! Nonsense. A person can be a Christian ~ and not be saved or born again.Click to expand...
You CAN emphasize ALL the DEFLECTION as much, and however you want, and it is not going to change the fact that your philosophy, which has been garnered, not by sitting in a Baptist Church, but musings in your mind...is unbiblical.
I know your emotion will not allow you to see it, Happy, but I am trying to help you.
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