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Only the Originals Are Inspired

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by SGO, Sep 28, 2020.

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  1. John of Japan

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    The World English Bible is your best bet: World English Bible. It is based on the Majority Text of Hodges and Farstad, which is very close to the Byzantine Textform of Robinson and Pierpont, my go-to Greek text. There is a committee working on a translation from the Byz., but they are not very far along yet. (I was asked to join the effort, but then they figured my translation philosophy was not quite theirs--long story. I might have turned them down anyway, since what we need are missionary translations into 3,000 languages, and that is where my heart is.)
     
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    I thought you meant this statement is true, "I am of the belief that God in His Providence, is able to preserve in some of these "copies", what was originally written by the Authors."

    If nothing but the originals are inspired then none of the copies could be inspired except for God personally preserving His truth.

    So where in the bible does it say ONLY the originals are inspired?

    2 Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable..."
    Did Paul have the originals?
    No, he had copies, which he called scripture.
     
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    and your evidence being...?
     
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    The New Testament in English. Is that a trick question because I don't get what you are asking me?
    2 Timothy 3:16.

    Or this, "The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus,
    when thou comest,
    bring with thee,
    and the books,
    but especially the parchments."
    2 Timothy 4:13

    C'mon pound some sense into this concrete head.
     
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    The KJVO claim of derived inspiration goes up in smoke!
     
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    Interesting that the same KJVO that support Kjv being inspired also held that only the Originals were!
     
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    You guys have yet to point out the scripture to back the assertion that "ONLY the originals are inspired."
    It's more fun to bash the KJV when you can't prove your point.
     
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    We do not have perfect copies of the Original texts, but very close indeed, and pretty much all mistakes are known and not doing anything to doctrines!
     
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    still probably the best Bible translation in any language, which I believe was "guided" by the Lord, though in places not too good with the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek.
     
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    Think the Greek Orthodox study bible is!
     
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    "Given by inspiration" is one word in Greek, the singular adjective θεόπνευστος (theopneustos), meaning, "breathed out by God," or, "the breath of God." This word is what is called a hapax legomenon, a word used only once in the NT. It is used nowhere in secular Greek, and only used in Christian writings long after Paul, so it is probably a word invented by Paul.

    Now think about it. The word for "breathed out" is singular, one time. If you breathe "I love you" into your spouse's ear, how many times is that? If you say it again sometime, is that not a separate sentence? If God breathed out the words of Scripture, it was one time. So Paul was referring to the original mss in this statement.
     
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    other translations are also very good, such as Nkjv, Nas and the Esv.////
     
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    To be inspired of and by the Holy Spirit, one needs to be an Apostle of the Lord Jesus, any of those on the 1611 team?
     
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    I contest any charge that the Hebrew Bible that was used by Jesus Christ, and the NT writers, were just mere "copies" at the time. I have no doubt the the LXX was NOT used by either the Lord when quoting from the OT, or any of the NT writers.
     
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    Infallible, but not Inerrant...
     
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    maybe, however, all these three fail in their Luke 1:35 translation, which is a crucial verse for the real humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    I have found that far too much credit is given to the manucrtipts, which are far more unreliable than the quotes of the early Christian thrologians/scholars, like Tertullian, Irenaeus, Justin, Cyprian, Jerome, Augustine, etc, etc
     
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    I have yet to see any biblical theology/doctrines that my Nas does not support same as the Kjv does though!
     
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    1 John 5:7! The Holy Trinity
     
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    The 1611 translators were guided in same fashion as those of the Nas and Nkjv teams were!
     
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