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PREVENIENT GRACE: AN ARMINIAN ERROR

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Nov 14, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    Does it say that ?
     
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    No it says that he doesn't. Literally though in the description it does . But they just add on at the end " but he is not the author of sin " lol Like when you catch a 3 year old who has chocolate all plastered around his mouth , and says " but i haven't touched the chocolate "
     
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    Barry, you are openly teaching universalism by your claim. Explain how all human beings are dragged to God and saved since we know people will/are spending eternity in hell.

    I stand by my interpretation of this verse. Now, you need to explain your belief in universalism.
     
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    Does it not say that?
    Explain your universalism to us.
     
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    So...No. Thank you. Nowhere is God called the author of sin, except by you, the one making the claim.
     
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    There was not a city that made peace with the people of Israel except the Hivites, the inhabitants of Gibeon. They took them all in battle. For it was the Lord’s doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be devoted to destruction and should receive no mercy but be destroyed, just as the Lord commanded Moses.

    ~ Joshua 11:19-20

    Does God draw all men to him?
     
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    Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.

    ~ Ephesians 4:17-19

    Does God draw all men to him?
     
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    But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.

    ~ 2 Timothy 3:1-9

    Does God draw all men to him?
     
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    Folks, a ploy of Calvinism is to deny Calvinism. Behold the deflection
     
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    Folks a ploy of Van is to deflect. Behold the deflection.
     
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    You explained by changing the verse entirely . I'm sticking to Draw as in ' attract' . Notice I'm not changing the text to suit my doctrine. Which is what Calvinism does.Just like in John 6.44 it doesn't say they came nor that they believed. The same with John 12 . People may come but are free to resist . Irresistible and previenient grace are nonsense doctrines because of the bogus T in Tulip which is faulty .
     
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    No man comes to the Son unless drawn by the Father


    Joy unspeakable full of glory
     
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    What about reprobates


    Joy unspeakable full of glory
     
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    The naked natives lived died and went to hell without the knowledge of the Almighty’s Name


    Joy unspeakable full of glory
     
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    I believe that was the case back then in the old testament, then After the cross Jesus draws .
     
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    Did you know them ?
     
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    Yet more evidence Calvinism is bogus, note the personal attack, deflecting from the question, if God decreed our every sin, why is God not the author of sin?

    Calvinism is based on cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, God decrees whatsoever comes to pass, but on the other hand, God does not decree our every sin. LOL
     
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    Something specific happening at a particular time ,what of it ? I bet you take the one account with Lydia and make that about you also . Inductive reasoning abounds with Calvinsm.
     
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    Did God also harden the nazis also ? How about 1066 ? Did he harden the heart of the school bully ? How about my neighbour who Always leaves cuttings on our side of the fence when hedge trimming?
     
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    Because all these verse do not apply to After Acts 2 .
     
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