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Don't neglect Romans 9:18 :"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

Two different elements are going on.

When you say things like "I don't believe God would do this or that" you are in the realm of speculation. I don't know when it will sink into your ears but you really need to submit to Deut. 29:29. Your conjectures are a waste of your precious time. And I can tell when anger, bitterness and frustration is building up in you. Rest in God's righteousness. Don't fight it.

 

Google "The Black Rock Address" and you'll find out why we're called Primitive Baptists.

The Book of Life was written (finished, done, and populated) from the foundation of the world. Which means every person that was named there was named and had his name on there from the foundation of the world. It follows therefore that the blood shed FROM THE FOUNDATION of the world by the Lamb slain FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD had their redemption and salvation redeemed IN GOD'S ETERNAL MIND before He even had the first star created.

These are the elect who at that point were not even existing in time, on earth, but in God's mind, whose salvation and redemption as far as the Triune God is concerned, is done and delivered.

Their eternal salvation and redemption, authored by Christ, was PASSIVE, ENTIRELY BASED ON GOD'S MERCY AND GRACE, and TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THEIR SOCIAL, RACIAL, TRIBAL, NATIONAL, THEOLOGICAL, CREDAL, SOTERIOLOGICAL statuses IN TIME.
Their salvation is UNTO HEAVEN, sealed on earth, by the blood of the Lamb of glory slain at the cross on Calvary.

Now, Christ having finished what He was supposed to do here on earth, in time, for the eternal benefit of the elect, directed His apostles (not His church as many maintain), to go out and preach the good news of a God who condescended to man in human form, and took their sins away through His blood, and to instruct those whom they (in their limited physical capacity) are able to reach, in the way they are to live with each other, and those without, as pilgrims on their way to their true country.

Now, we move from eternal salvation, which is solely the province of Christ, absolutely passive to the elect, a GIFT that was GIVEN, not a gift because it is received (as in many illustrations), to TIME SALVATION.

Those who believe, and are baptized, will be saved (gospelly) in that they will move from worship of false gods and doctrines to the worship of the True God, and knowledge of true doctrine.
Now, will everyone hear and obey, among those who are elect ?
Our answer is no.

Notice that in PB teaching, eternal salvation is both universal,( in that social class, theology, creed, geography, physical, mental, psychological infirmities, or chronology is compassed and bypassed by the mercy of God) and individual (in that the elect, and only the elect among mankind and in mankind's existence, are covered by the blood of Christ).

We do not hold that all of mankind will be saved, only those among mankind, wherever and whenever mankind existed and is found, are covered by the blood and therefore atoned for.

 

IF a sinner has not received jesus thru faith, how can they be saved though, as the bible is very clear that we preach/teach jesus to sinners, and they receive him unto salvation?

I am addressing those with capabilities to accept jesus and get saved, not infants/or those with severe menatl disabilities here...

So would you say that PB view all of the elect will get to heaven, as that is promise of god towards them, but some may or may not get "saved" while here on earth?

 

I googled "Black Rock Address" and found it very lacking.

Arguing almost exclusively from a bunch of "what-ifs" and emotional reasoning.

The arguments against Sunday Schools and Bible Societies were in total conflict with each other.

The gist of Sunday School - we should not indoctrinate unregenerate children, out of fear that they might mistakenly think they're Christians. But, it's ok to teach them to read so they can read scripture for themselves.

But the emotional argument against Bible Societies is a fear that they're putting the scriptures in the hands of unregenerate people, leading to scriptural abuse.

If it's dangerous to put scriptures in the hands of the unregenerate, then why would you want to teach unregenerate children to read the scriptures ???

But really, the whole thing was thoroughly lacking scripture, as it was nothing but an emotional tizzy built on the foundation of fear and empty rhetoric.

Good job. Wow.

 

I believe man is passive in regeneration but active in conversion. I think what some call conviction of sin in a persons heart others call regeneration. I think what some believe is conversion when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ others call gospel salvation or time salvation. I happen to believe in a day of salvation appointed to all the elect. This day of salvation is the day the convert knows he is in Christ Jesus. I would call this day of salvation conversion. This conversion comes when you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. There are to many scriptures in the bible that commands us to come to Christ for me to deny this. Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. For a person to believe in regeneration and not to believe in conversion goes back to the Indian riding the horse scenario. For a Indian or a black man in the deepest Africa to live on this earth in a secluded place without any knowledge of God and Christ and then be regenerated but not understanding what has happened to him and die and go to heaven is to mystical for me. Oh by the way what does happen to him ? is his life changed ? Does he leave off killing his enemies, does he leave off stealing horses or pigs from other tribes ? These different beliefs will always be excepted by some a rejected by others as long as time last. Some believe Apostle Paul was saved on the road to Damascus because the Lord told Ananias of Paul, behold he prayeth and others believe that Paul was saved when he received his sight and was filled with the Holy Ghost.

 

This is your whole problem, you are basing your whole belief system on your sister and whether babies go to hell or not, but the Redman you could care less about. I could get caught up as you are by babies in the Indian thing because they are my people and be just like you are. The truth is, the judge of all the earth shall do right. That is where you should leave it and move on. Also Deut 29:29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever. There are some things God will not reveal to us this side of the grave, I accept this because I know the judge of all the earth shall do right. Also who hath known the mind of the Lord or who has been his counselor ? Canst thou by searching find out God ? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection ? Job 11:7 If we knew every detail about God, we would be gods.

 

Again, the salvation you are addressing is gospel salvation, which is a discipleship of those whom Christ called out to a congregation.
Interestingly, this was one of those addressed by our pastor this morning in his sermon.
In his view, there is only ONE salvation, which is the salvation wrought by Christ on the cross for all the elect in time, and covenanted to by the Great One-in-Three, Jehovah God, with Himself (the three Persons), in eternity past.
Time salvation is that aspect of One salvation which is IN RELATION to eternal salvation, wherein those so-called and so-gathered into a congregation IN TIME, before Him, are discipled on how to behave here in time as pilgrims on a journey home, in order for them not to miss out on the blessings of eternal life here in time.
Whether or not they hear, heed, or turn into deed, those instructions however, does not affect their eternal standing with God.

The practical fact is that not all of the elect will get to hear about the good news of their salvation, and come under discipleship.
This was as true of Christ's time here on earth, as it is today.

 

You do not know any such thing. Those that don't get the "opportunity to hear the gospel" are under the jurisdiction of Romans 1 and 2.

 

Amen, salzer mtm.

I have been bringing up Deut. 29:29 to EW&F, but he is ignoring its import time and time again.

 

What? Your church doesn't believe in Deut. 29:29? I wasn't speaking of Calvinism or "my church" in my post at all. You make up things that are not there. You need to believe what Deut. 29:29 says. And if you do believe it your complaints would dissipate. If the Lord of all does right then you don't have to worry, murmur, fume and fuss as you do so often.