I have seen people judged as not even saved anymore die to divorce and remarried, as having children in state of adultery, pressured to divorce and remarry first partner, so lot of damage being done out in real world!
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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Feb 12, 2020.
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Any decisions made bring consequences, and one doesn’t ever get a redo in life. The statement in Matthew doesn’t approve of one discarding responsibility but relating the principles that should be taught.
Both your examples have more to do with the results of the failures of people to understand and live according to the principles of what Christ held in contrast to fulfilling their own fleshly desires.
Most vows contain, “till death do us part.” Why? Because that is what the Scriptures teach.
The basic question of this thread is the statement of Timothy regarding “husband of one wife.” Or can the statement be considered as “husband of one wife at a time?”
Having dealt with the matter of divorce as mentioned twice in Matthew, then turn to the instructions by Paul and determine the qualification standard. That is the question of the thread. -
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Besides, it isn’t a matter of sin and salvation.
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If Paul meant divorce - why didn't say so
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1) Divorced
2) Polygamy
3) Being a single man
4) Being a widower
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Yes, sort of like that. Rather than spelling out divorce, polygamy, homosexual “marriage” and everything else that might need to be addressed, it can be encapsulated in a phrase that covers a spectrum and then we can compare scripture and biblical principles to know the extent of it.
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Yes, the phrase could restrict that person from pastoring. Does it? Would other scripture support or reject that interpretation?
I don’t intend to go further down that road. My point specifically was to suggest why Paul might have used a broader phrase rather than a narrower one. -
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Paul gave the example of a believer who is divorced in another letter to the church. Certainly, having written in that instance, he would have schooled both Timothy and Titus in the particulars.
That having been done (for they were both obviously graduates of Paul’s schooling) it seems rather pointless for him to address particulars of the “one woman man” needing any interpretation.
Prior to Henry VIII and even throughout the Puritan dominance, this issue was not questioned except by liberals desiring excuses for escape.
Do folks even have any meaningful understanding of the words, “‘till death do us part?”
“What God has put together let NO man put asunder.
“They two became one flesh”
Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife,a 8and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
10And in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. 11And he said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her, 12and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” -
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Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife,a 8and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”The Bible says it, I believe it.
10And in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. 11And he said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her, 12and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
Paul wrote extensively instructing the church. He did not need to write to Timothy and Titus these matters, they were already well schooled face to face by Paul.
Here is the standard Paul established for Gentiles.
1Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
6Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. He 7I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
8To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. 9But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband 11(but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.
12To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. 13If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called youb to peace. 16For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
17Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches. 18Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. 19For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. 20Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. 21Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.) 22For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ.23You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men. 24So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.
25Now concerning the betrothed, I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26I think that in view of the present distress it is good for a person to remain as he is. 27Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman marries, she has not sinned. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. 29This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, 30and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, 31and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.
32I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. 33But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, 34and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. 35I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord.
36If anyone thinks that he is not behaving properly toward his betrothed, if his passions are strong, and it has to be, let him do as he wishes: let them marry—it is no sin. 37But whoever is firmly established in his heart, being under no necessity but having his desire under control, and has determined this in his heart, to keep her as his betrothed, he will do well. 38So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.
39A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. 40Yet in my judgment she is happier if she remains as she is. And I think that I too have the Spirit of God. -
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