I remember back in seminary days when one of my classmates insisted that he would wear a clerical collar so that the world would recognize him as a man of the cloth. This passage came to mind then as it does now.
"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
John 13:35 NAS77
A rotten heart in a $700 suit is still rotten. A heart that belongs to Jesus is just as precious in burlap and threadbare cotton.
Proper Sunday Dress
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Dec 28, 2012.
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Pastor should normally wear a coat and Tie
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Ok if Pastor wears just wears dress pants and no tie
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OK if pastor wears overhalls
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Leaders should wear coat and tie
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Okay if leaders wear casual dress
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Pastors wife should wear dress or skirt
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Okay if pastors wife wears pants
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Okay if pastors wife wears overhalls
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non leader members should wear coat and tie
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A person commands more respect by the way they dress
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Multiple votes are allowed.
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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But the point I am trying to make is that clothes aren't the problem. Pride, the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh are. If we walk in the Spirit, the manner of dress need not be a distraction. -
Pride I have often wondered what if John came out of the wilderness in to a church today how would he be treated.
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I wear pants and trust me - there is nothing to entice anyone. I can't find a pair of pants that are flattering on me because of ... shall we say a lack of assets. :D So my pants are always baggy unless they are leggings or something. If I were to wear pants as tight as leggings, I'd wear a top that comes down lower to cover.
SO, the only difference in me wearing pants or a skirt is that in pants you see that I have two legs enveloped in material. In a skirt you see that I have two legs. No difference. :D
But I prefer pants. I feel more modest in them and more comfortable. Since we have to set up our church every week and I'm reaching, bending and sitting on the floor and in that case pants are DEFINITELY more modest. -
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I was being honest and I said a whole lot more than the bit that clearly offended you. I inferred from your words that you look at a women in pants and are enticed, therefore pants on a women in church is ungodly.
If that's true, you're victim to the principals that are so aptly stated in James 1, start with verse 13.
I have my weaknesses and failings too but I don't expect the world around me to mold or conform itself into an image that I've constructed within my own mind to be "Godly".
And you missed the point entirely that for every man there is a different set of circumstances that define enticing. Food works as analogy too, I am never-ever-never enticed to eat broccoli, no matter how hungry I am. Again, I defer to James chapter 1.
Blaming another for your own weaknesses is a fallacy. It denies personal accountability. -
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So we need to stop doing what the world does and do what God does- stop looking at the outward appearance and look at the heart. Looking on the outward appearance is what the world does. Dressing to impress is what the world does. Requiring others to meet a man-made standard is what the world does.
If we stopped doing all those things there wouldn't be reason for us Christians to have this silly discussion. :smilewinkgrin: -
I would refer to 1 Tim 2:9-10 and also to a comment on this subject by John Gill. with shamefacedness and sobriety:
these are the two general rules by which dress is to be regulated; it is right and proper, when it is consistent with chastity, when it is not immodest and impudent, and more like the attire of an harlot than of a woman professing godliness; and when it is moderate as well as modest, and suitable to a person's age and station, and is not beyond the circumstances of life in which they are. There is no religion or irreligion in dress, provided pride and luxury are guarded against, and modesty and moderation preserved. -
That's part of it and I didn't assume, I inferred, huge difference. Your quote still states that women shouldn't wear pants specifically and otherwise, clothing that entices men. There's no absolute constant to measure enticement, if clothing is the means by which you judge.
About what I marked in bold. Read the last half of Romans 7, finish with Romans 8. We're all in the same boat. Feel free to judge others by their outward "manifestations" all you want, but beware the backlash.
I wear T-shirts and work pants to church, feel free to make an assessment of my character based one that. If and while you do, I'll concern myself with what God sees in me. I doubt he's all that worried about what's covering the dust I'm formed of. -
My mother use to say when i was growing up, water is free and soap is cheap, no one needs to go dirty. When someone chooses to wear a certain type clothing it set's the pattern for others. Let's say one lady in the church starts wearing pants for whatever reason, another younger woman with a curved figure says, if she can wear pants i will too. So she puts her skin hugging pants on and comes to Gods worship service. Do you think that just because a man is saved he is not a man? Why put temptation in front of anyone. God may be looking on her heart but some man is probably looking at her body. One thing i've noticed about people that won't change their views on anything, they always play the love card or the your judging me card. Tell a wicked person if God don't save them they will go to hell, he will at once say, you have no right to judge me or your not showing Gods love toward me.
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