Muslims use Scripture, some of them know the Bible better than the average Christian. Wiccans often use the Bible in their chants directed toward Satan.
You cannot come on here and threaten me with "IF I can't do what I want (irrespective of the rules) I am going to pick up my marbles and leave. Well, perhaps your marbles are not worth much. I don't really care if you don't visit this place again. "One Baptism" will not be back again. He wanted his way irrespective of what the rules said. There is a back door. It is always open. You are welcome to leave. No one is forcing you to stay.
Protestantism's big justification lie
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Croyant, May 25, 2015.
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Ok, here is the thing, I honestly didn't know or see it was a rule to begin with. And yes that's just who I am, I don't believe it is good to restrict things that can be talked about.
I come from a Catholic background, and I had wished to ascertain which of the Catholic or protestant doctrine was the right one.
If I'm not allowed to show what these doctrines are to begin with then it is very hard to progress from one state to the next. And I would think if the protestant doctrine is the right one it would resist an honest investigation.
So it looks like this place was not for me to begin with and I should look for one with more freedom of expression. No ill will toward anyone.
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This is a debate board. If you can't provide a definition of "justification" from your own knowledge, then do so from a RCC dictionary or encyclopedia. Links from a RCC apologist rambling on hours in length disseminating and propagating the heresy of the RCC, while at the same time tearing down our beliefs, simply is not permitted for obvious reasons. This is just common sense.
It has nothing to do with restrictiveness, censure, etc. It has to do with the purpose of this board. It is a debate forum where we freely exchange ideas and opinions with one and other. -
'OneBaptism', we hardly knew ya' :wavey:
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You need to read all the bible to understand specific portions.
James adds clarification to Paul:
James 2
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. -
The key verse of that passage is back in verse 18:
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James demonstrated his faith with his works. It was the faith that saved, faith and faith alone. But if a man claimed to have faith and his life never showed was his faith genuine? That is, was it a genuine profession in Christ? James answers no, and that is what this passage is speaking about.
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DHK, keep reading and we see that Verse 20 : "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead "?
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Man needs pure grace in order to be saved. i.e. he can’t do it on his own. That’s the lesson to be learned-what Adam & Eve didn’t know-that we need God absolutely, without exception, no way around it. The Incarnation, life, death, and resurrection of Christ-the Atonement- is pure grace, because it’s the pure love of God demonstrated and poured out upon mankind-it’s what God is willing to do for us-His love in action.
The real lesson is that God exists and only God can save man-only God can give man life-and life abundantly, life worth living eternally. Christ died to prove that-although He never deserved to be doubted, let alone rejected and hated, as scripture attests He was. But He was willing to prove it anyway if that what it takes to overcome our doubt, to restore man’s faith, then his hope, and ultimately his love, finally bringing him around to full justice.
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The RCC doesn't believe that. They believe works, not grace saves.
It is the work of baptism, the work of the sacraments, the work of confession of sins to a priest, etc., etc., that both saves and keeps one saved.
The Bible teaches that it is grace and grace alone that saves. That is, that salvation is all of God, and nothing that man can do.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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DHK, the confusion about Catholic "works'' is greatly misunderstood by you and most other non-Catholics.
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DHK, I too was a Baptist for almost three years and I now only study Catholicism from ex-Baptist Bible teachers/ Apologists, theologians. Many Catholics have left because they either were not ready for accepting Jesus or they were insufficiently educated in their Christian Faith, because I know , I was one.
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