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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Van, Sep 19, 2020.

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  1. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

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    There is not one verse in the Bible that names Gentiles as Elect. Gentiles can never be Jews
    What makes you think Van is scared? Certainly he isn't scared of you nor am I.
    The Jews were elected corporately. This makes me wonder how Calvinist think they can be elect individually. Doesn't it scare you that you cannot prove your elect,?
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    Straight up denial of scripture.
     
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    All Calvinists claim any verse that demonstrates their doctrine is false has been taken out of context, cherry picked, misinterpreted, and so forth. And then of course they use the fallacy of person incredulity. And so it goes.
     
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    Like a house of cards, Calvinism is built on one fallacy supporting another fallacy. Limited atonement requires John 3:16 not to say God loved all mankind. His lack of love arose, according perhaps to one Calvinist leaning poster, due to His racism. On and on folks, on and on.
     
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    Calvinism has once again been shown to be bogus, and then claimed to have been refuted in the past. Pathetic defense of the indefensible.
     
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    On and on folks, the Calvinists make the absurd claim if Christ died for someone, they are saved. 2 Peter 2:1 is ignored as if the thread readers do not know Christ "bought" those heading to destruction.
     
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    On and on folks, claim after claim scripture does not mean what it says. 2 Peter 2:1 does not say Christ bought those heading to destruction. One copy and paste denial after another, because Calvinist's TULI are bogus views, shown by verse after verse they are unbiblical.
     
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    The fiction that Gentiles being chosen for salvation does does not mean they are elect. Utter nonsense.

    Was Titus a Jew or Gentile? Gentile - a Greek
    Was Titus called "elect?" Yes Titus 1:4 says Paul and Titus held faith in common with each other, and in Titus 1:1 Paul refers to that faith as the faith of God's elect.
     
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    MB, you are sticking your head in the sand, creating arbitrary boundaries, and then claiming you can't see that the Gentiles are chosen/elect. I cannot make you pull your head out of the sand.
     
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    On the other hand, we claim Scripture means EXACTLY what it says in CONTEXT. See the difference?
     
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    That is simply false Van. (I'm waiting for the taint so post) It has been cherry-picked. If you read the whole passage, and the whole Bible, it is clear that it is not speaking against individuals being chosen.
     
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    How so? That is a pretty big accusation.
     
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    So every Jew will be in Heaven? :confused:
     
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    Van, you are sticking your head in the sand, creating arbitrary boundaries, and then claiming you can't see that the Gentiles are chosen/elect. I cannot make you pull your head out of the sand.
     
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    Or the problem of saying every Jew was elect....
     
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    Yet another appeal to falsehood. I say 2 Peter 2:1 says Christ bought those heading to destruction, thus not elect, and Calvinist say in the context of Calvinism, the verse does not say that. On and on folks...
     
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    Are you really incapable of comprehension, because the post say Gentiles are elect. Duh
     
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    I don't deny Scripture Van.
     
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    A Calvinist leaning poster claimed God and Christ were racists. I asked if Limited atonement, the false doctrine of Calvinism that Christ did not die for all mankind, was the basis. If I got an answer, I missed it.
     
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    No, all this shows is that you do not understand or know Reformed doctrine. Calvinists agree that Christ bought those heading to destruction. The elect are included in that. Just because you are elect, does not mean you are saved before faith is placed in Christ.
     
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