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So which is it "ransom" or "atonement"? Every time I address the meaning of one word, you change words, expose MY FALLACY and call your strawman absurd. Who indeed has their "FALLACY BUILT ON FALLACY" being exposed.

 

Ignored it is more accurate.

 

How? The verse does not say that at all. That is you adding in something that is not there.

No, it says that will be the agent of the effective salvation. It does not say that is the basis of the election.

All people groups, both Jew and Gentile, if you would read the whole passage and not take verses out of context you would understand that.

That's not what the verse says, that's not even found in the verse.

as men of flesh as INFANTS IN CHRIST. You even take parts of individual verses out of context... sheesh.

 

Man you even take my statements out of context. No wonder you are so wrong on so many levels. You take Scripture out of context, you take statements out of context, either you are not capable of doing proper study or just plain dishonest.

 

You really have to stretch that verse to make it say that.
Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Neither verse says Titus is elect. Like Calvinist you add to scriture what you want it to mean.
MB

 

Show me just one verse that says election means that you will be saved? Better yet prove you are elect.
MB

 

I don't do the "one verse" thing. John 10:27-29 is a good start.

 

This certainly doesn't say squat about election. You're suffering from hallucinations.
MB

 

What on earth do you think election is?

 

Politics ... the trinity voted and the person was elected to a position (like Prophet).

 

Your claim here is just the foolish ranting of an ignorant person.

 

Context matters...
The reader can observe how poorly you discern the word of God.

2 Peter 1:16-21 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 2:1-22 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

 

A complete smokescreed right here. Stay on topic Van.

 

You got the first clause correct. You utterly botched the second part. It is you who is showing cognitive dissonance, Van.

 

Why are you scared to address my name? It doesn't bother me. Why should it scare you?

Where did you ask that question?

If you asked the question of me, I believe you got an answer.

Quantrill

 

Hebrews tells to us that the great High priest Jesus purchased and will bring to glory many, not all!