Questions for KJVOs

Wow, same ole', same ole'. At least it mentions that it is simply a "better translation", rather than God's ONLY INSPIRED WORD.

Welcome to the Bulletin Board. I think you should read Ed's post regarding the TR and majority text. Do you realize the TR you are now using was generated AFTER the KJV?

Ed also asked a good question. When did the KJV become accurate--it certainly wasn't in 1611 if the 1769 version is?

Do you also realized that the translators of the 1611 had thirteen different manuscripts of which no two were either complete or alike and they pieced them together even piecing verses together to come up with one copy of The Revelation of Jesus Christ. This is no different than the textual criticism that takes place today when making translations. The translators finally went to the Vulgate, Bishop's Bible and Geneva (among others) for help. Of course, this was done all the way through the Bible---that is the reason the Bishop's Bible has so many verses that are the same as the KJ1611. It is DEFINITELY not a PURE translation, much of it was already translated for the translators. ;)

[ March 20, 2004, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

Mine was given to me by my parents and has my name on the cover. Am I Inspired???????? :confused: :eek:

 

No more like an Okie

 

I think you should just be honest with yourself and admit that your final authority is your own self.

 

One of the main reasons I rejected KJVOnlyism is that you guys really do make yourselves the final authority but would deny it to the death.

There is no scriptural text nor example that supports KJVOnlyism. There are no historical nor textual proofs for KJVOnlyism. The KJV translators did not claim to be inspired and even if they did they don't meet the scriptural qualifications for writers of scripture.

The Bible (KJV) is filled with examples of different versions of the same message/event. There is reasonably good evidence that a translation was quoted from by the writers of the NT that differs with the Hebrew text of the KJV.

Simply put, the message communicated in the original, perfect, God inspired words is the Word of God. Any translation that accurately and faithfully relates this message is also the inspired Word of God. If not, then we are all in the same boat... we have no inspired Word of God, not even you.

 

Actually the "final authority" of KJVO doctrine are two persons, a man and a woman.
I won't mention any names.

Most KJVO (at least on this posting board) distance themselves from them but then go on to put their stamp of approval on all their "ex cathedra" dogma (e.g. second inspiration, advanced revelation, English supercedes Hebrew/Greek, etc).

HankD

 

One of the main reasons I rejected KJVOnlyism is that you guys really do make yourselves the final authority but would deny it to the death.

There is no scriptural text nor example that supports KJVOnlyism. There are no historical nor textual proofs for KJVOnlyism. The KJV translators did not claim to be inspired and even if they did they don't meet the scriptural qualifications for writers of scripture.

The Bible (KJV) is filled with examples of different versions of the same message/event. There is reasonably good evidence that a translation was quoted from by the writers of the NT that differs with the Hebrew text of the KJV.

Simply put, the message communicated in the original, perfect, God inspired words is the Word of God. Any translation that accurately and faithfully relates this message is also the inspired Word of God. If not, then we are all in the same boat... we have no inspired Word of God, not even you. </font>[/QUOTE]Well then Scott, you have a real serious problem on your hands then. According to mv doctrine ALL versions ahve errors in them and therefore ALL versions are not faithful and accurate and cannot faithfully relay all of God's written message to man.

What does this mean? it means that for the mv defender, they, in their minds and attitudes, get to play God and determine what is and what isn't God's word at any time, according to what pleases them.


There is plenty of documented evidence to show how inaccurate and unfaithful the mv's are. One of the most telling is how often new mv's comes out, each one supposedly more accurate and faithful then all the others, according to the "scholars" who worked on them. Yet, clearly they are not or these publishes would stop selling all the inaccurate ones, but then, I guess there is money to be made in peddling, isn't there?

Oh what quicksand you mv "defenders" live in.


Jim

 

Jim Ward:Well then Scott, you have a real serious problem on your hands then. According to mv doctrine ALL versions ahve errors in them and therefore ALL versions are not faithful and accurate and cannot faithfully relay all of God's written message to man.

There's no such critter an an "mv doctrine". And I don't believe anyone here thinks that EVERY book called a "bible" is actually a valid Bible.

What does this mean? it means that for the mv defender, they, in their minds and attitudes, get to play God and determine what is and what isn't God's word at any time, according to what pleases them.

No, that would be the KJVO, who PROVES this by rejecting anything that differs from the KJV.


There is plenty of documented evidence to show how inaccurate and unfaithful the mv's are. One of the most telling is how often new mv's comes out, each one supposedly more accurate and faithful then all the others, according to the "scholars" who worked on them. Yet, clearly they are not or these publishes would stop selling all the inaccurate ones, but then, I guess there is money to be made in peddling, isn't there?

It's called "advertising". It's a free-enterprise activity, as opposed to royal edict. The potential buyer now has a CHOICE instead of having to do business only with a royal monopoly. It is the Onlyists through the last 400-or-so years who've sought to suppress all other English bvs. And, for the umpteenth time, if a publisher doesn't publish books that sell, or continues to print books that aren't selling, he doesn't stay in business very long, does he?

Oh what quicksand you mv "defenders" live in.

Looks as if the "stuff" the KJVO's live in has turned to concrete around their feet. They say, "well, at least we have a solid foundation." Fine-till the flood waters come in...

 

though at the same time I feel really for you

 

I wish I could find the post where you stated you were not going to respond to my posts anymore, cuz I would post that time and again so everyone can see how little your words mean to you, and see more of the corrupt fruit exampled for us by a follower of false doctrines.


Once a liar, always a liar until regenerated by the Spirit, I guess.

 

Ed, Jim is good for laughs.

 

And what exactly does it "tell"? because This is a description of the history of the KJV.

In 1611 the King James Bible was one of a string of approximately 120 versions before it (mostly before the advent of the printing press) with the KJV translator "scholars" (most were "doctors") promoted its accuracy in the introduction to the King and the people.

Also the KJV translators proclaimed that all the other translations, even "the meanest" (worst) of them were also the Word of God.

Nonetheless, they were opposed by the Puritans who loved and cherished the Geneva Bible, which, when they fled England by reason of the Church of England persecution, they brought with them to America.

In the meantime the AV 1611 under went several revisions one of them to remove the heretical Apocrypha from the Holy Bible.


HankD

 

I think you should just be honest w/ yourself and admit that your final authority is Anglicans who you have exalted to prophets, and a king who hated Baptists.

 

KJVO's:kjbo's.."by their fruit you will know them", some like J__ W___ are Pharisees. :rolleyes:

 

WHO? ME?

My final authority is God's word. I'm just now reading one in a language I can understand. THe Holman CSB (I only have the NT though)

If you would like to donate a complete one so I will have the complete "final authority" in that particular translation, I would SURE appreciate it. Do you need my mailing address?

 

Uh, Jim, I'm not a moderator, but I can see a personal attack when I read it. Let's stick our debates to the subject and quit trying to play lawyer by impeaching a person because they allegedly said something once and possibly changed their minds. This does not make one a liar. But, I believe personal attacks against a fellow Christian are against KJV doctrine also. :eek:

 

Jim Ward wrote&gt;&gt;"Once a liar, always a liar until regenerated by the Spirit, I guess.
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Naaa Jim, Liars are liars, saved or lost, I appreciate your stand, "therefore stand" is our commandment on the subject.
Charlie

 

Ed Edwards wrote&gt;&gt;"Am I Inspired????????&lt;&lt;"

I would definately say yes, I think that you are most certainlly inspired, but your name on the cover has nothing to do with it.
Charlie

 

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Phillip wrote&gt;&gt;"But, I believe personal attacks against a fellow Christian are against KJV doctrine also."
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Unless of course the personal attack is upon Dr. Ruckman, In that case, its "christian observation."


Chaelie