Lacy Evans
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Thanks for the lesson. I'm sure that Psalm is very precious and reassuring to those "poor" and "needy" folks. God is going to get to them (and preserve them) one of these generations.
Foolish Lacy
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Questions From A KJV-Onlyist
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Foolish Lacy
Lacy Evans
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Do you think a fool is foolish? Perhaps it says something different in another translation. Or on one of your time-machine travels (or discussions with 3000 year old poor people) you actually discovered that the "originals" say that it's OK to call a brother foolish. Or maybe that's just your "impertinent" way of wiggling semantically out of responsibility of the verse. If you feel safe with it, then I guess just go with it and someday we'll see. Lightning indeed.Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Tread gingerly, Brother Lacy Evans, you might offend some
innocent KJVO-persons. You are very close to
saying the different sets of words "Thou fool" and
"foolish" mean the same thing. But in the KJVO-world-order
the message is way different if the words are different.
Tread lightingly as on egg shells.
Foolish Lacy
You're the one using the title as a "badge of honor", Lacy. Even here on this thread.
And you are right on that if you believe every word of the AV1611 (whichever revision you use) is absolutely perfect, you are considered by me to be quite foolish. It is a man-made translation (by a bunch of English Catholics) and as such has imperfections.
But you already know that, right?
Anti-Alexandrian
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Wrong!!
Baptist in Richmond
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Thanks for the lesson. I'm sure that Psalm is very precious and reassuring to those "poor" and "needy" folks. God is going to get to them (and preserve them) one of these generations.
Foolish Lacy </font>[/QUOTE]
Was that English?
Baptist in Richmond
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Wrong!! </font>[/QUOTE]Well, hello, Anti-Alexandrian.
You are undoubtedly my favorite KJVO, as you take your love for the 1769 Revision to a very dangerous level, and assign a fabricated cult to those who don't agree with your bizarre beliefs.
Perhaps you could answer my question posed to you several times over the course of the past 12 months:
Prove to us WITH SCRIPTURE the justification for the complete and total rejection of all other English translations of God's Holy Word.
You have never even attempted to tackle this question, have you?
"Thou shalt use the Oxford Revision of the King James Version and that Revision only shalt thou consult; thus saith the Pharisee."
--- Not out of the Bible, but anti-alex needs some verse he can use.
We'll call it "The Uninspired Book of Phillip".
I'll add to my uninspired Book as they need references. That can be Chapter 1 verse 1.
Oh, Let's go ahead and add verse two.
"Thou mayest calleth it the AV1611. Behold, it is written; behold, it art done."
--- Not out of the Bible, but anti-alex needs some verse he can use.
We'll call it "The Uninspired Book of Phillip".
I'll add to my uninspired Book as they need references. That can be Chapter 1 verse 1.
Oh, Let's go ahead and add verse two.
"Thou mayest calleth it the AV1611. Behold, it is written; behold, it art done."
Rather than hijack this thread, I am starting a new one on "imperfections" in the AV1611. If it is "perfect" (by standard definition of the word) then no "imperfections" should be found.
I truly assumed even the most rapid of the "onlies" would realize that there were errors, mistakes, etc etc that had to be changed or corrected in subsequent editions.
I truly assumed even the most rapid of the "onlies" would realize that there were errors, mistakes, etc etc that had to be changed or corrected in subsequent editions.
Lacy Evans
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I'm not wearing a badge of anything. I'm just pointing out that my brother called me a fool. It is one thing to call a doctrine or a conviction foolish. (I'd even be very careful there.) But you two have said that we (brothers) are foolish. It is your word. If it were me, I'd apologize. (With fear and trembling) It wouldn't weaken your position at all. I guess it's just the pastor in me coming out. You boys do what you like. Consider yourself exhorted.
Foolish Lacy
Ed Edwards
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I think so. Inerrancy
of the KJV1769 onlyism means that every
word in the KJV1769 is inspired AS IS.
No attempt should be made to try to figure out
what God was trying to tell you.
Proverbs 17:28 (CEV= Contemporary English Version)
Even fools seem smart when they are quiet
Lacy Evans
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This isn't funny. It's not cute. I'd be very careful that you don't win the battle and lose the war. Consider yourself rebuked.
Pastor Lacy
Baptist in Richmond
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These statements may or may not be true; however, if I were you, I would be VERY CAREFUL about using the words "rebuked" and "exhorted." You are extolling a particular viewpoint that has NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS. This fact makes your viewpoint nothing more than personal preference, not doctrine as you have wrongly claimed. [Of course, that is a fact unless you can provide the Scripture that mandates the complete rejection of all other English translations of God's Holy Word. NOBODY has successfully done this in any other thread.]
That is a very serious issue, and I would advise you to be cautious as this behavior can quickly evolve into the sin of sowing discord among the brethren.
Notice that I am offering nothing but advice. I am not rebuking, admonishing, exhorting, etc.
Charles Meadows
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I'd agree we shouldn't call a brother foolish. But some of the "speak" from the KJBO side seems pretty contemptuous of those of us who value "scholarship".
As I said, it seems that some of us are being a little selective when we say "scholarship."
Scholarship means using intellectual tools to learn things - again - this is not BAD. Scolarship can TEACH US MORE about God's word. That's a good thing!! We may find that some of our traditional beliefs are not always quite right - but hey I'm always willing to learn.
And people like Sam Gipp and Gail Riplinger are not really scholars. They set out with their conclusions ALREADY MADE and work back from there!!
As I said, it seems that some of us are being a little selective when we say "scholarship."
Scholarship means using intellectual tools to learn things - again - this is not BAD. Scolarship can TEACH US MORE about God's word. That's a good thing!! We may find that some of our traditional beliefs are not always quite right - but hey I'm always willing to learn.
And people like Sam Gipp and Gail Riplinger are not really scholars. They set out with their conclusions ALREADY MADE and work back from there!!
Lacy Evans
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Exactly what issue requires that you disobey a direct command of Jesus Christ in order for it to be "debated" properly. It seems to me like folks (You included, Mr. Moderator.) are much more interested in winning a debate than acting like a Christian. If rebuke has no part then why rebuke me for rebuking. I love debate. If you read my threads, however, you'll see that I get on to KJVO's when they are ugly too.
KJV 2 Timothy 4:1-2
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Obey man or God?
Lacy
skanwmatos
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Lacy, I suggest you study the book of Matthew to understand why Christ said what He did regarding the term "thou fool." Remember, Christ had made claims to being God in the flesh. He claimed to be the Messiah, the Savior. When the scribes and Pharisees heard this they called Him a fool for making such claims. It is not calling a person a fool that places one in danger of hell fire. It is calling Christ a fool for claiming to be the Messiah which places a person in danger of hell fire. God says "thou fool" to a man in Luke 12:20 and Paul says "thou fool" to those who deny the Resurrection in 1 Cor. 15:36. Paul is not in danger of hell fire for calling those who deny the Resurrection fools, but the fools who deny the Resurrection, just as the fools who deny that Christ is God in the flesh, are in danger of hell fire.
Baptist in Richmond
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Again, you are working under the false assumption that KJVO is doctrine. It is not.
Lacy Evans
New Member
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
God can call anyone he wants a fool.(Luke 12:20) And Paul was speaking of a hypothetical "some man." (1 Cor. 15:35,36) Brother Bob and Brother Ed were talking about people here on these boards who went to church this morning and sang Amazing Grace. We disagree on God's method of preservation of scripture. That was the original debate. I may hold some foolish beliefs. I have changed my mind on many things over the years. I might change my mind on the KJVO issue (Don't hold your breath.) But the fact and the reality is that I'm a blood bought child of God who has a lot to learn and so are all of you. I am your brother in Christ and you are mine. Point out my error. It is your job. But to call me a fool for disagreeing with you is presumptuous. Who am I to call you a "fool" or "Raca" because you are at a different stage of growth in your doctrine.
Job 12:2. No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you.
3. But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you: yea, who knoweth not such things as these?
Lacy
Whichever version one is reading, that is just bad "scholarship". Can you be angry without cause at anyone but Christ? Can you call anyone but Christ Raca?
God can call anyone he wants a fool.(Luke 12:20) And Paul was speaking of a hypothetical "some man." (1 Cor. 15:35,36) Brother Bob and Brother Ed were talking about people here on these boards who went to church this morning and sang Amazing Grace. We disagree on God's method of preservation of scripture. That was the original debate. I may hold some foolish beliefs. I have changed my mind on many things over the years. I might change my mind on the KJVO issue (Don't hold your breath.) But the fact and the reality is that I'm a blood bought child of God who has a lot to learn and so are all of you. I am your brother in Christ and you are mine. Point out my error. It is your job. But to call me a fool for disagreeing with you is presumptuous. Who am I to call you a "fool" or "Raca" because you are at a different stage of growth in your doctrine.
Job 12:2. No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you.
3. But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you: yea, who knoweth not such things as these?
Lacy
skanwmatos
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But, of course, the bible does not say that calling a brother a fool is "presumptuous." It says that he who calls his brother a fool is in danger of hell fire. If that is true, then eternal security of the believer is a lie. Either that you the reference is to the scribes and Pharisees denying the deity of Christ. You can't have it both ways.