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Quotes from Ellen White - You Decide

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by thatbrian, Feb 8, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    If Jesus was/is not the Lord God Almighty, than everyone posting here are still damned!
     
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    The Investigative Judgement heresy propagated by Ellen White falls under "damnable heresy"
     
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    Thus the Hebrew language itself points to humans as "son of man" and the term man as "Adam".

    You have free will to choose to accept or ignore whatever you wish
     
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    A "free will" now enslaved to the sin nature and the flesh!
     
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    Are you a son of adam?
     
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    Why is the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment "heresy" in your view? Can you provide to me 3 [if you have more, we can look at the weaker reaons later, I am simply looking for the best reasons to be put forth] of the top concise points that would classify such as "heresy" from the Bible [KJB]?

    Brother Bob, and myself have routinely and systematically provided a plethora of texts from Genesis to Revelation that teaches such. What would make you think that such a teaching is not present in those texts and passages, and/or what top 3 concise points would seem to indicate a contrary teaching? Please be brief, and we can then study further into those reasons first and foremost.

    If you are serious, then let us study closely, prayerfully, with all humility. If you are simply going to proclaim the ideology as "heresy" without evidence, what am I and brother Bob, and others supposed to do, when all of the texts that have been cited already on it, are still before us all?

    It is not enough to simply throw out a word, like "heresy", claim 'right-ness', without substantiating evidences, proofs and valid reasons from scripture [KJB]. This is scriptural [KJB].

    Brother Bob and myself, have attempted to put forth the best evidences from scripture for the doctrine, being the foundation of all matters of faith and practice.
     
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    Yes, in two ways. I am a blood and flesh descendant of Adam the first, as is all of man-kind, including the man Christ Jesus, and I am a spiritual son of Adam the second [Jesus Christ], adopted into the new man.
     
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    Borh of you do indeed quote and list various scriptures, but the truth is that both of you really misunderstand what they actually teach and mean!
    And what makes the Judgement from EW so bad is that it denies that we are eternally secured in Christ, denies that we are saved by grace alone faith alone, as one MUST keep the law in regards to the Sabbath/diet, and view the teachings of EW equal to the Bible!
     
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    1 Corinthians 15:45 says Christ is the Last Adam, not the Second Adam. Why are you twisting words? Are you doing this intentionally?
     
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    <---------I'm the son of My Heavenly Father, not the son of adam.

    2 Corinthians 5:16-17
    16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

    Your statement denies the above Scripture.
     
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    No brother, I am a child of the Heavenly Father, a child of the Son Christ Jesus [the second Adam] and a child of the Holy Spirit. Do you want scripture for this?
     
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    Thank you for once again proving my point. It is fruitless to carry this conversation any further with you, until we can get to specifics. As, brother, you do this every time. Thank you for your time.
     
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    Are you asking how sister White came to understand the material as presented in "The Story of Redemption"?
     
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    Yes, that was one of my questions. @BobRyan explained that the account was revealed to her in a vision.
     
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    It seems to be a matter of reading skills, or of reading carefully.

    Sister White, spoke of the "greatest commandment in the decalogue" [ie Ten Commandments].

    Jesus was speaking about the "greatest commandment in the Law" [ie the whole of the Torah, we know this because it was a "lawyer" who asked the question, and in how Jesus answered in vs 40], which is found in Deuteronomy 6:4,5; which is a summation of the entire Ten Commandments [Deuteronomy 5, rehersing Exodus 20], and see also Leviticus 19:17-18, for the second greatest.
     
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    Yes, she received it in vision. However, if I may add, that the entirety of it is actually in scripture [KJB] itself, here and there, Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc. God collated all of these things and presented them to her in a simplified manner, to be easily expressed, as many had not understood these things from the scriptures, because of lack of study, ignorance, prevailing ideologies, etc.

    P.s. as a for instance, how did Paul end up knowing much about the Lord Jesus? Through direct vision [he was never physically at the Lord's Supper, etc] and through study of the OT.
     
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    True - that level of detail could not be valid any other way. The claim she is making is that it was shown to her in vision. Details that God alone would know.
     
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    I am all for affirming what she wrote - but if you look at that Story of Redemption text - there are minute details there that you do not find any place else.
     
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    There is much more to Mrs. White's vision than is recorded in Scripture, but I do not doubt that Mrs. White had the visions that she claimed to have witnessed. To do so is a fruitless endeavor (I also don't doubt that John Smith had visions of the angel Moroni). We can objectively question the actual experiences of others, but not that they had those experiences (which is subjective).
     
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    That is about the new birth.

    Romans 4 says this about Abraham as our father.

    9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “Faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
     
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